# Observation on ganking & the rules **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [August 13, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900 "2019-08-13T02:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/197 "2019-08-27T11:11:57Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > what i am talking about is a known bug File a bug report then. I predict the response from CCP will be “working as intended, learn how Concord works before filing another” ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/198 "2019-08-27T11:12:19Z")
Then you need to file a bug report and petition it’s use. I must admit to not understanding what you mean about CONCORD, for a start they cannot log out in pods and log back on in ships. So I am not at all clear on what you are trying to say, if it is a bug that is being exploited then there are ways to flag it. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/199 "2019-08-27T11:13:45Z")
Yeah, I’m having trouble getting my head around what the OP is claiming, it makes no sense when viewed alongside what is known about Concord mechanics, which are very well documented. ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/200 "2019-08-27T11:14:10Z")
actually you are wrong as what i am talking about is a bannable offense it’s not just logging out and logging back in ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/201 "2019-08-27T11:14:39Z")
And its not pulling CONCORD away either, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/202 "2019-08-27T11:15:11Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > as what i am talking about is a bannable offense That’s just it, we have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, because it makes no sense to us when we consider what we do know about Concord mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/203 "2019-08-27T11:29:31Z")
@Ramona_McCandless @Dracvlad Is it possible he’s referring to this? > [Exploit Notification - Delaying CONCORD Response](http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-delaying-concord-response) > > [Exploit notification from GM Grimmi](http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-from-gm-grimmi/) Delaying CONCORD response or completely avoiding it. Committing a criminal act and delaying CONCORD response for an extended period of time. > > Commonly involves leaving empty ships or drones in space that CONCORD focuses on before dealing with the attacker. This exploit is not limited to drones or ships and applies to any item or method which might be used to delay CONCORD. > > It is also considered an exploit to commit a criminal act and prevent ship loss to CONCORD by any means. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/204 "2019-08-27T11:37:23Z")
Would that not produce an evidence chain in the system that would appear on Kill Board? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/205 "2019-08-27T11:39:44Z")
It is possible, I was interested in that he was pretty sure that he could not divulge it, but I don’t understand it enough to comment on it. But pulling CONCORD in the normal way that gankers do by undocking in noob ships is not an exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/206 "2019-08-27T11:46:09Z")
I think we’re all in that boat, I get the impression that English is not the OP’s 1st language and his point could be something that is getting lost in translation. I too would be interested in understanding exactly what he is claiming happens so that I could post a constructive answer, and not look like an arsehole. ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/207 "2019-08-27T13:13:45Z")
well go research it as it states that i’m not allowed to post the bannable bugs in here? as well as being constructive would be the terms of their input broadcasting and i’m the arsehole not all these people trying to play dumb on it given that the zkillboards should speak for themselves in that regard just given by how many of the AGB toons there are combined with always being one or 2 operators on the bot fleet gank ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/208 "2019-08-27T13:28:12Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > the zkillboards should speak for themselves The killboards really do not contain enough information to tell if any rules were broken. Dracvlad tried to explain this to you. Dracvlad is on your side and will jump on any crazy half-baked conspiracy theory you can come up with, but even _he_ cannot follow the nonsensical things you’ve been saying here. ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/209 "2019-08-27T13:29:15Z")
i have spoken to him in game ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/210 "2019-08-27T13:29:18Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > zkillboards should speak for themselves The only thing thats obvious is the lack of concern you show for your ship crews ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/211 "2019-08-27T13:33:28Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > i have spoken to him in game Okay. Can you explain to me then, why you don’t seem to be absorbing this information? Is it the language barrier thing? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/212 "2019-08-27T13:38:09Z")
Research what exactly? All we have to go on is an extremely vague statement that somebody may be exploiting a bug, with no explanation of what the bug is and how it is being exploited. You place us in a quandry ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/213 "2019-08-27T13:38:12Z")
because there is more to it than what you are saying and yes i have looked at your links and already know about the undocking as well as concord being in the system, does not change that most of the attacks done by the accounts of that alliance recently all fit the same MO, what aren’t you getting by the descriptions as well as the screenshots in other posts and the supreme denial of any and all wrong doing by those in the forums of all the people who have operated those accounts? ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/214 "2019-08-27T13:39:33Z")
well for one go look up videos of input broadcasting then go look up videos of multiboxing or better yet go look up bannable exploits ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/215 "2019-08-27T13:45:48Z")
Okay man, just slow it down. It’s all gonna be okay. So do you now agree with me and Dracvlad and everyone else that killboards do not contain enough information to tell if rules were broken or not? Do you understand that and agree? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/216 "2019-08-27T13:46:11Z")
I have no need to this, input broadcasting is forbidden; nobody is disputing that. What we’re trying to get to the bottom of is your claim regarding Concord mechanics being exploited which is not the same as input broadcasting. Please try to stick to one topic at a time, lest you confuse yourself even more than you’re confusing us. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900.md?page=11)