# Observation on ganking & the rules **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** pvp\ **Created:** [August 13, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900 "2019-08-13T02:53:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ralliana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ralliana/32/122793_2.png) [@Ralliana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ralliana)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/177 "2019-08-25T19:19:53Z")
You could take that 100b from us when offer was standing [https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander) ,now there is no return. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Spank](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lady_spank/32/381311_2.png) [@Lady\_Spank](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lady_Spank)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/178 "2019-08-27T00:36:05Z")
I see this part of the forum never changes 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/179 "2019-08-27T02:00:28Z")
What is this DCM-5 that’s being chucked around? It’s certainly not the DSM-5 and anybody who uses the DSM in their occupation shouldn’t be diagnosing people over the internet, it’s a breach of the ethical conduct that comes with the job. > [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > 1. You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. Gankers generally don’t break this rule, because ganking is fully in accordance with the rules of Eve online, if it wasn’t CCP would have removed it over a decade ago. TL;DR of the whole thread is that someone made a stupid mistake and is now blaming everyone but themselves for that mistake, because they have no sense of personal responsibility or the ability to admit they screwed up. Just another day in Crime and Punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/180 "2019-08-27T03:22:38Z")
Somehow I don’t think the OP has earned the right to be beholden to the “Goldwater Rule”…and if he has, then shame on him. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 3:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/181 "2019-08-27T03:43:19Z")
Oh I agree, those subject to the rule don’t generally break it because it’s malpractice and unethical. Like almost all of the other people who like to chuck around medical terms to describe those that they don’t like, in all likelihood he’s not qualified to do so. Speaking of the DSM, there’s a nice exclusion relating to delusions and certain beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/182 "2019-08-27T06:14:06Z")
Wow, seldom have I seen so much space lawyering in one place. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/183 "2019-08-27T07:31:24Z")
I would advise you to go get your logs and assess them, it is possible that this player is using input broadcasting, but he is on the edge of what is possible without, 5 is about the number that can be applied with a one second tick manually. And on your Hulk that seems like he did that, but he could have cheated. But you linked above a screen shot with 16 on it and that log record would be very interesting if all of them fired at the same time. Your call on whether you petition it. I must say that this looks highly suspicious to me: > **[Orca | Valin Maradine | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/78644004/)** > > Valin Maradine (Never a Lobster) lost their Orca in Balle (Sinq Laison). Final Blow by Geronimo Wilson (Krypteia Operations II) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 873,193,192.28 ISK It looks like nine started at the same time which is not really possible without input control if this is a single player of course. ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/184 "2019-08-27T10:33:40Z")
that’s what i am saying given with my skiff\* the same happened they were using ammar ships and failed the gank concord everywhere then they logged and by the time within a few minutes they logged back in with no concord anywhere with different ships and same thing all at once ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/185 "2019-08-27T10:34:35Z")
convieniently\* funny how concord left the sector at that precise interval when they were logged out ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/186 "2019-08-27T10:49:52Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > concord everywhere then they logged and by the time within a few minutes they logged back in with no concord anywhere with different ships and same thing all at once Concord should kill anything, except a pod, if someone flagged for their attention undocks within the 15 minute timer, the flag should remain persistent if a character is logged off and then logged back in. This can be used to the gankers advantage as it allows them to move Concord to a location of their choice by simply undocking; the flip side is that a miner can also move Concord around by sacrificing a cheap ship and the sec status of an otherwise unused alt for the glory of Bob. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/187 "2019-08-27T10:50:19Z")
What has that got to do with botting? If CONCORD was so important to your operation, why didnt you keep them on grid yourself? Perhaps they _gasp_ pulled CONCORD. Why did you repeat a mistake? These are all very suspicious ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/188 "2019-08-27T10:54:01Z")
or perhaps they manipulated the concord dissapearance , which is why the log out and in with the concord fleet dissapearing in that time is a little too convienient, but as you do you’re just trolling against any post against the bot fleeters ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/189 "2019-08-27T10:55:31Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > perhaps they manipulated the concord dissapearance , > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Perhaps they _gasp_ pulled CONCORD. Do you think?! ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/190 "2019-08-27T10:55:56Z")
look at my most recent one the skiff in zkillboards or better yet look at the first orca one, as well go look at their kills in Audaerne, that alliance claims to hunt bots yet i don’t bot hence only having the 2 yet they operate more than 10 each ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/191 "2019-08-27T10:58:01Z")
yeah i do and that is a bannable offense in it’s own right as well as this little number . You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/192 "2019-08-27T10:59:00Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > that is a bannable offense in it’s own right Is it? Are you sure? ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/193 "2019-08-27T11:00:03Z")
i’ve had the logs assesed and can’t go into details as you know, just looking at their alliances zkillboard should be enough for most, they just stacking on miners ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/194 "2019-08-27T11:00:18Z")
You have to check your logs to see when they first started firing: Documents / Eve / Logs / Gamelogs With the kill mail all I can do is look at the amount of damage each attacker does and there is a spread, and of course it is not very accurate as other factors affect the total DPS, such as range and tracking. The logs will enable you to assess if they all fired together or not. I suspect that certain people can bind their groups to hotkeys, but as I have no idea about these tools I can’t say for certain. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/195 "2019-08-27T11:04:15Z")
> [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](#): > > they manipulated the concord dissapearance , which is why the log out and in with the concord fleet dissapearing That’s not how it works. Docking up and then undocking moves Concord, this is allowed and it doesn’t make them despawn. What you’re suggesting is that logging off despawns Concord and resets the timer, this is an obvious hole in the mechanics that would have been patched long ago if it ever existed in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garrick_ollivander_ollivander/32/506269_2.png) [@Garrick\_Ollivander\_Ollivander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Garrick_Ollivander_Ollivander)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900/196 "2019-08-27T11:08:13Z")
what i am talking about is a known bug which i cannot state here and yes i have loaded that into also what i cannot say as well, i sincerely hope even if it takes months even years of dedicated research and viewing using intel from all over eve and compile it they pay dearly as then it will be worth the time that i am now dedicating to it as someone needs to even if the battle is uphill as they clearly deserve it [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/observation-on-ganking-the-rules/181900.md?page=10)