# October 2018 Release - General Feedback **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, release, official\ **Created:** [October 9, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059 "2018-10-09T09:40:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Eternal\_Griever](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eternal_griever/32/381333_2.png) [@Eternal\_Griever](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eternal_Griever)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/41 "2018-10-09T20:04:56Z")
Looking for feedback after it was given even before implementation of changes… You’re literally showing people you don’t give a damn about it away. There’s your feedback. ---
**Author:** ![Tink\_Pickles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tink_pickles/32/90079_2.png) [@Tink\_Pickles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tink_Pickles)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/42 "2018-10-09T20:06:45Z")
> [@Nasar\_Vyron](#): > > I’ve laid out a fix for ECM pretty plainly and this is what they still decided to go with. It’s seriously laughable at this point. -or- They could reduce the cycle time on ECM modules to 10 seconds. -or- They could split ECM modules into small, medium, large, extra large, and capital modules, discontinue the signal distortion amplifier modules, and roll the increased strength into the ECM modules of varying size, while allowing them to be scripted for racial jams which would allow ships of like size to be more effective against each other and reduce the whining about “oh my capital was jammed by a Griffin”. Throw in an Ewar dread that can jam Triaged FAXes and you’d have a FAX counterplay as well. But nope, this would be work. -or- They could deal with the exploit of repeatedly launching and retrieving your ECM drones until they get a jam to bypass the drone jammer cycle time. -or- They could just ignore the people who are complaining about ECM who are upset they get jammed when they never want to fit a counter to protect themselves from ECM. They don’t nerf weapons because someone doesn’t want to fit tank, why should they do this? ---
**Author:** ![SsjGhost](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ssjghost/32/412152_2.png) [@SsjGhost](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SsjGhost)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/43 "2018-10-09T20:15:34Z")
@CCP_Falcon Long time listener, first time moaner. I’m a wormholer and tbh, couldn’t give a ■■■■ about the 500mn HICs. Yes they were nice, but this is a balance I think not only needed to nerf the abuse of them but also just one of those nerfs people have to live with. However… I genuinely don’t understand the ECM nerf. ECM was primary anyway (especially in small gang WH stuff) so now it’s still primary but everything can wipe it off the grid… even with the buffs (I presume it wont have BS size tank). Why wasn’t the effectiveness of the mods just reduced? Please… I have been skilling for this for ages and now it’s basically another ship’s hull buffer! Please CCP Falcon… PLEASE HEAR MY CRY! **The tears of 1000 orphans are pouring steadily into the CCP nerf enigma machine and it wont do!** I can’t live without the ECM that was so readily afforded to the Falcon! Please CCP! I beg of you! I can’t! Too many children have suffe… OK… point made. Forever yours SSjGhost FDo7 ---
**Author:** ![Xsagaroth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xsagaroth/32/147839_2.png) [@Xsagaroth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xsagaroth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/44 "2018-10-09T20:35:32Z")
he doesnt care, none of them do - if you want them to care cancel your subs its clearly the only way to get their attention, (im sorry to say). ---
**Author:** ![Khor\_Ah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khor_ah/32/153865_2.png) [@Khor\_Ah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khor_Ah)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/45 "2018-10-09T21:02:49Z")
> [@Dev Blog: October Balance Pass!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/dev-blog-october-balance-pass/106917/2599): > > Dunno if I can post whole support ticket in here, there no mention that I can’t do that. Sooo I did this support ticket thing, GM were very nice and understanding of situation ECM pilots are finding themselves in, but after some arguments back and forth , about how choices made by player are undone by CCP changes, and how extractors are actually forcing affected player to pay twice for what was paid for as gametime subscription. CCP retreated to EULA catch-all ESRB notice “game experience m… been there, done that, good luck to you thou 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Khor\_Ah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khor_ah/32/153865_2.png) [@Khor\_Ah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khor_Ah)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/46 "2018-10-09T21:04:20Z")
in fact , i propose to answer on Reddit if this gets more attention. ---
**Author:** ![Xsagaroth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xsagaroth/32/147839_2.png) [@Xsagaroth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xsagaroth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/47 "2018-10-09T21:09:15Z")
do it - im going to start self destructing blackbirds on the jita undock 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bumpy\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bumpy_kai/32/130770_2.png) [@Bumpy\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bumpy_Kai)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/48 "2018-10-09T21:09:42Z")
I’m not that experienced or a vet player, but using ECM in fleets is something I could do to at least contribute a bit since my DPS and Tank and all the other skills are not that high yet. Now there is 1 less thing I can do. ---
**Author:** ![AshenShugar01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashenshugar01/32/251233_2.png) [@AshenShugar01](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AshenShugar01)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/49 "2018-10-09T21:11:14Z")
Ohhhh CCP wants feedback?? You already had it, you already had legions of players telling you that this patch was a LEMON pushed for by a CSM that wants to keep their crabbing/blue donut safer. But CCP decided to ignore their player base in favour of rushed changes that were not thought through properly. AWFUL stuff CCP, just truly awful. And i used to defend you guys… ---
**Author:** ![Xsagaroth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xsagaroth/32/147839_2.png) [@Xsagaroth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xsagaroth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/50 "2018-10-09T21:20:43Z")
CSM is broken (majority represents goon interests) ECM is broken (that change, just lol) Feedback is broken (we gave you feedback about this patch last week, you ignored us). ---
**Author:** ![Netan\_MalDoran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/netan_maldoran/32/426257_2.png) [@Netan\_MalDoran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Netan_MalDoran)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/51 "2018-10-09T21:29:49Z")
I’m pretty sure that you’re the only one here thinking that. ---
**Author:** ![Muon\_Farstrider](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muon_farstrider/32/454120_2.png) [@Muon\_Farstrider](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muon_Farstrider)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/52 "2018-10-09T21:31:22Z")
Boy, look at all the constructive feedback in this thread. Reminds me of the original feedback thread, in fact. So much articulate, well reasoned, polite, mature feedback for the devs to iterate on. So proud of our community for responding to such potentially divisive changes in such an adult manner. Lol. ---
**Author:** ![Bumpy\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bumpy_kai/32/130770_2.png) [@Bumpy\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bumpy_Kai)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/53 "2018-10-09T21:32:26Z")
> [@Muon\_Farstrider](#): > > Boy, look at all the constructive feedback in this thread. Reminds me of the original feedback thread, in fact. So much articulate, well reasoned, polite, mature feedback for the devs to iterate on. So proud of our community for responding to such potentially divisive changes in such an adult manner. > > Lol. Even more proud of the devs and the CSM. ---
**Author:** ![Netan\_MalDoran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/netan_maldoran/32/426257_2.png) [@Netan\_MalDoran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Netan_MalDoran)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/54 "2018-10-09T21:32:35Z")
When people dont listen to “Well reasoned, polite, mature feedback”, this is what happens. Working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Iowa\_Banshee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iowa_banshee/32/218394_2.png) [@Iowa\_Banshee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iowa_Banshee)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/55 "2018-10-09T21:34:57Z")
Don’t forget structure ECM is for taunting your enemy like shouting “Donkey Bottom biter” at them but Its OK as you can always kite them at maximum range and as an Astrahus pilot I’m sure you will find a role in both small engagements and large fleet battles. of course you’re F\*\*%Ked flying solo ---
**Author:** ![Fluffy\_Moe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fluffy_moe/32/11132_2.png) [@Fluffy\_Moe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fluffy_Moe)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/56 "2018-10-09T21:59:04Z")
We really need a reddit feature here. Would love to have downvotes. And hey, since its reddit that might actually happen. ---
**Author:** ![Xsagaroth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xsagaroth/32/147839_2.png) [@Xsagaroth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xsagaroth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/57 "2018-10-09T22:04:44Z")
you must seek goon approval for such a feature, have you not heard? They are now in charge of what CCP do and dont add/remove from the game. ---
**Author:** ![Muon\_Farstrider](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muon_farstrider/32/454120_2.png) [@Muon\_Farstrider](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muon_Farstrider)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/58 "2018-10-09T22:23:28Z")
There was a decided lack of such feedback even in the original thread. I don’t blame people for being opposed to the changes. Hell, _I_ don’t like some of them, and wormholers in particular definitely had perfectly legitimate and important reason to object. But if there was anyone giving actual ‘well reasoned, polite, mature feedback’, it was thoroughly drowned out by the tidal wave of people convinced that vituperatively insulting the devs, csm, and anyone and everyone else in the general vicinity was the appropriate response. The community never gave the devs a _chance_ to iterate before jumping straight to full asshole mode, and frankly it’s to the devs credit that they adjusted things at all (which the community has _also_ basically ignored) and maintained their professional attitude in the face of such insulting immature behavior. I know if _I_ were a dev I wouldn’t have wanted to wade through that sort of muck. ---
**Author:** ![AshenShugar01](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ashenshugar01/32/251233_2.png) [@AshenShugar01](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AshenShugar01)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/59 "2018-10-09T22:33:21Z")
Muon you need to go read the original feedback thread. (A big ask i know, but there is TONS of constructive feedback there almost all of which was ignored by CCP.) ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059/60 "2018-10-09T22:34:31Z")
On the Warp Disruption Field Generator. Wasn’t/isn’t there a way to use this in low sec as a single target warp disrupter that is immune to warp strength? Only on the 4 cruisers it supports? I suppose this means that it is no longer a counter to try to outrun that ship in low sec. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/october-2018-release-general-feedback/112059.md?page=4)