# Off-Topic Thread vol. 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718 "2019-07-04T14:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 257
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5176 "2022-03-21T05:17:05Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Are you serious? To be clear, my comments were meant to be serious discussion, but they were also as hypothetical as your own initial scenario. At no point did I expect you would _actually_ try and send someone to arrest me. I hope you like chocolate cake. ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5177 "2022-03-21T05:36:33Z")
> [@Gosakumori\_Noh](#): > > Oh _behave_, darling! These are monstrosities we’re talking about! Or, more accurately, abominations… I _know_, lovely. But we have to keep _smiling_ through the existential pain of realising our universe is controlled by interstellar cuttlefish dressed as lizard-people operating out of a chain of Fedo-themed restaurants while trying to control everyone’s minds through smoothies. Remember what they say on GalNet, lovely: _Joke, Judge, Justify!_ ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5178 "2022-03-21T08:21:44Z")
**Cheesecake.** ---
**Author:** ![Tanagura\_Amoii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tanagura_amoii/32/310830_2.png) [@Tanagura\_Amoii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tanagura_Amoii)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5179 "2022-03-21T14:50:46Z")
> [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](#): > > We have to keep _smiling_ through the existential pain of realising our universe is controlled by interstellar cuttlefish dressed as lizard-people operating out of a chain of Fedo-themed restaurants while trying to control everyone’s minds through smoothies. The proposition is becoming hypnotic. Each time through I notice a new detail, and find myself wanting our universe to be controlled by interstellar cuttlefish. However, does that qualify as its own form of mind control? ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5180 "2022-03-21T22:37:33Z")
Isn’t it _just so_! I can’t answer your question because I fear we have the same ones, lovely, but you put it so much more _eloquently_ than I ever could… ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5181 "2022-03-21T23:29:09Z")
All hypnosis is self hypnosis, darlings! The wants, the desires, the burning, aching needs are all within us all the time. Our little minds tuck them into hidden places - until there is a change of brain phase… something or other. Psychologists have a term for it. But whenever that phase thing happens, due to, you know, rhythmic, repetitive, soothing, intriguing patterns, the mind opens the doors to all those secret rooms, the occupants peek into connecting hallways and wave at one another, then suddenly the Federation has a new president who can take it places no Federation has gone before. And darling, seriously, when it comes to tight textual packages, oh my goodness, “smiling through the existential pain of realising our universe is controlled by interstellar cuttlefish” is absolutely fabulous. Absolutely. Fabulous. That’s true even if we _do_ turn out to be the cuttlefish ourselves, sweeties! Tangentially, my apologies to New(velle?) Hueromont for any infrastructure damages which may have occurred as a result of two old crones having a night on the town. Filling rooms full of skinny J-MPop wannaones who pretend to enjoy your company so that you purchase more, more expensive alcohol is an inspired business model - but it does bring with it the risk of things getting out of hand. Tangent to both the topic and the tangent of planetary infrastructure, only I’m not sure you can have a tangent to a straight line, years ago I tucked the Epithal into a hidden room in my mind and forgot all about it because a planetary infrastructure ship that can’t carry a planetary command center is ridiculous, is it not? I didn’t even realize it had been fixed, because I had forgotten it existed at all! These are the things that happen when you are a few hundred years old and might be a space cuttlefish without realizing it. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5182 "2022-03-22T03:58:21Z")
> [@Gosakumori\_Noh](#): > > then suddenly the Federation has a new president who can take it places no Federation has gone before. Triglavian space? Or maybe the great Cuttlefish Consortium? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5183 "2022-03-22T10:36:17Z")
Embezzlement is a crime! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5184 "2022-03-22T13:20:15Z")
I’m sure most people know that. The question is, at what position of power is to no longer considered a crime, but standard business practice? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5185 "2022-03-22T13:33:21Z")
Any authority that violates a law becomes illegal authority. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5186 "2022-03-22T13:46:15Z")
Hypothetical here. Suppose I work for a bakery, and I baked 12 blueberry muffins. I put 11 out to sell, but kept one for myself. Would that be considered embezzlement, and if so, what, in your opinion Miss Kim, should be the punishment? ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5187 "2022-03-22T15:29:04Z")
That would be theft, not embezzlement. Petty theft in this case. An appropriate penalty would be a fine based on the value of the item and limited jail time (A few months at most, typically.) ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5188 "2022-03-22T15:56:34Z")
I love muffins, darlings! Crime and Punishment are the domain of Authority, of course. In our thought experiment (which would never happen in the real world), there is a single ultimate authority. If the single ultimate authority wants to take a muffin, it is by definition legal. At first glance, it might seem like everyone under the ultimate authority who takes a muffin is committing a crime. However, the ultimate authority knows they are taking muffins. The ultimate authority knows all. The muffin takers survive because they are not taking solely for themselves. They hold their muffins _on behalf of_ the ultimate authority (who put them in their positions). The moment they take a muffin solely for themselves, they are shot as proof the ultimate authority will not tolerate crime of any kind. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5189 "2022-03-22T16:29:06Z")
I didn’t realize your name was Diana Kim. So embezzlement is not a form of theft? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5190 "2022-03-22T17:19:54Z")
That’s my name, by the way! ---
**Author:** ![Gosakumori\_Noh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gosakumori_noh/32/308623_2.png) [@Gosakumori\_Noh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gosakumori_Noh)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5191 "2022-03-22T17:44:31Z")
And nobody wears it better, darling! ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5192 "2022-03-22T18:50:03Z")
Would it matter if you owned the bakery, lovely? As owner, wouldn’t that become your _profit_? Or do I mean prophet? I’m not sure I even know anymore… ---
**Author:** ![Henrik\_Suzaku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/henrik_suzaku/32/358060_2.png) [@Henrik\_Suzaku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Henrik_Suzaku)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5193 "2022-03-22T19:18:09Z")
The question every Caldari must ask himself is not “Is my speech free?” It is, “Is my speech heiian?” This is our Way. ---
**Author:** ![Remilia\_Malitia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remilia_malitia/32/394766_2.png) [@Remilia\_Malitia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remilia_Malitia)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5194 "2022-03-22T20:13:12Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I didn’t realize your name was Diana Kim. It is not, my name is Remilia. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > So embezzlement is not a form of theft? Embezzlement is a form of theft, just not the one described. If you pocketed the money given to you for the sale of a muffin, it would be embezzlement. Stealing the muffin itself is not. ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5195 "2022-03-22T21:33:49Z")
> [@Remilia\_Malitia](#): > > It is not, my name is Remilia. And what a _lovely_ name it is too, Remi! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718.md?page=256) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718.md?page=258)