# Off-Topic Thread vol. 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718 "2019-07-04T14:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 263
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5301 "2022-06-19T08:58:22Z")
> [@A Thread Of Kind Words](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/a-thread-of-kind-words/7963/757): > > You have a divine butt. Whoa… I now wonder, was giving a comment about a person’s filthiest part a direct insult, or just her being generally toxic? ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Basse](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_basse/32/388256_2.png) [@Dom\_Basse](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Basse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5302 "2022-06-19T11:34:22Z")
If your buttocks are filthy you’re doing something wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5303 "2022-06-19T15:45:52Z")
> [@The Liberation of Athounon](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-liberation-of-athounon/361662/90): > > For those that continue to question her loyalties or position, it is pointless speculation as the only one capable of declaring those is also the one that is not being believed. Is it? Or is it, rather, choosing to believe both her words _and_ her actions in support and defense of the Collective? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5304 "2022-06-20T14:04:21Z")
> [@Storytime](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/storytime/201045/97): > > Its details are of doubtful veracity, but carries some interest. The way it grounds the Reclaiming in treachery and theft is _definitely_ interesting. I especially liked the bit where the Amarr culture was so weak and unappealing to its people that just having _options_ convinced them to ‘leave forever’. It’s nice to see you guys haven’t changed. ---
**Author:** ![Yun-Hee\_Tight-lips\_Yubari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yun-hee_tight-lips_yubari/32/513933_2.png) [@Yun-Hee\_Tight-lips\_Yubari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yun-Hee_Tight-lips_Yubari)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5305 "2022-06-20T21:06:51Z")
I see that quite a few of us are having their cake day today. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5306 "2022-06-20T22:27:56Z")
Or, perhaps it grounds the Reclaiming in a response to soveriegnty being violated by a colonial power. However, like all tales, it says more about the composer than the event it tells. In this case, the chain of transmission does not reach past the Moral Reforms. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5307 "2022-06-21T02:02:54Z")
Happy cake day @Arrendis ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5308 "2022-06-21T04:38:03Z")
Everyone who used the forums the day this iteration went live, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5309 "2022-06-21T04:39:52Z")
> [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](#): > > Or, perhaps it grounds the Reclaiming in a response to soveriegnty being violated by a colonial power. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 6:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5310 "2022-06-21T06:17:30Z")
Indeed they aren’t. Still another lens would be that the initial treachery was the violation of hospitality, where a once welcome guest overstayed a welcome and became beligerent, threatening violence when asked to leave. But really, there are probably more possible morals to a story like this than there are readers. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5311 "2022-06-21T11:55:02Z")
Indeed. Yet another reading could be that the Amarr ‘Emperor’ (but how is one an emperor w/out having an _empire_ yet?) was naive and foolish, and conducted diplomacy by speaking to the Udorian ambassador, rather than sending his own to their ruler(s), and conducting diplomacy with _them_. ---
**Author:** ![Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunarisse_aspenstar/32/478487_2.png) [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunarisse_Aspenstar)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5312 "2022-06-21T12:46:50Z")
Arrendis… pendancy doesn’t translate well to old stories. But this one is pretty clear that the Amarr and the Emperor thought they were alone initially at the start of this one, so… well… an Empire if one rules all the known world one sees at the time? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5313 "2022-06-21T16:16:53Z")
> [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > But this one is pretty clear that the Amarr and the Emperor thought they were alone initially at the start of this one Except they didn’t… > [@Storytime](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/storytime/201045/97): > > Some of his advisors suggested that perhaps he should order this new fleet to attack Assimia, after all, Assimians were the ones who had forced the Prophet’s second exile! They clearly knew there were other lands, because they knew they were ‘in exile’ and the Assimians existed. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5314 "2022-06-21T22:03:21Z")
The Empire was declared when Emperor Amash-Akura of Dam-Torsad unified Amarr island. That was several thousand years before the setting of this story. And please do remember that translation issues exist. You seem to be working with a narrow definition of Empire, though I cannot be certain. ---
**Author:** ![Che\_Biko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/che_biko/32/500836_2.png) [@Che\_Biko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Che_Biko)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5315 "2022-06-21T22:41:35Z")
I would almost agree, but then I realized it depends on the something and/or someone you are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Makoto\_Priano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makoto_priano/32/383919_2.png) [@Makoto\_Priano](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makoto_Priano)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5316 "2022-06-21T22:58:29Z")
Whichever is most convenient in the moment, and you are demonstrably evil in her preferred way by requiring intellectual honesty, consistency in logic, or even consistency in stated belief. It’d be hilarious if it weren’t so thoroughly tiresome. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5317 "2022-06-21T23:00:41Z")
Also, given that the Amarr had no ocean going ships, sending an ambassador to the non-unified Udorian states would have required them to trust the very people who were refusing to leave. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5318 "2022-06-22T01:11:25Z")
Given that Amarr had no ocean-going ships, finding out such vessels existed and someone else had them should have made _developing_ some the top priority of the imperial military. And what with all those people leaving, it’s clear they had the opportunity to examine the vessels, and even hire a few shipwrights wherever they landed. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5320 "2022-06-22T06:05:31Z")
I have raised concerns about imbalances in distribution and use of resources. Not _once_ have I failed to provide support where needed. Even now, you have your installations in Arshat because I and mine secured you that system. I’d be careful about attributing any of these current problems to myself and making me rethink these priorities. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2022, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5322 "2022-06-22T07:27:42Z")
The context of my words you cite are not even me bringing up criticism. It is me responding to allegations and rumormongering and propaganda that was aimed at _us stopping our support to Edencom_. The point of those words is “we see the issues; we still want to do the work”. Again, I advice you to really think if you want me to change my stance on that. Because I assure you, it will _not_ to change to “I absolutely love it how Amarr is hoarding all the research from Arshat”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718.md?page=262) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718.md?page=264)