# Off-Topic Thread vol. 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718 "2019-07-04T14:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2019, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/945 "2019-10-20T08:42:01Z")
At church today, I saw a spider, indicating they are coming in from outside. Winter is coming. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 1:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/948 "2019-10-21T01:53:06Z")
> [@Appeal to CONCORD against House Sarum's illegal slave taking](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/appeal-to-concord-against-house-sarums-illegal-slave-taking/196438/31): > > Firstly, I condemn the presupposition that our Lord Sarum’s order is illegal. I am certain he possesses both the wisdom and forbearance to have examined the issue carefully from each and every political and legal angle to ensure that this move is both feasible and in the best interests of the House and Empire. > > Furthermore, I assert that the mentioned violations against rule of law and civility have been repeatedly violated by the Republic and its proxies long before this issuance. May I remind you that the very existence of the CEMWPA treaty itself was made necessary by the shameless attack made by the so-called “Elder Fleet” (upon CONCORD itself, no less), which was far more closely tied to the official mechanisms of Minmatar governance than we have all been led to believe. Since then, yet further violations of the Republic’s agreements have occurred, most clearly highlighted by the worsening of rebellions last year within the Empire’s borders. The truth is that the Republic should have been cast out of CONCORD completely as a rogue nation, yet political expedience saved it from its deserved fate. The taking of slaves is merely a measured and arguably appropriate response to continued Minmatar aggression. > > However. With this preface kept in mind, I do believe there is merit in asking the Inner Circle for a clarification of the bounds of the CEMWPA treaty, and guidelines for the treatment of civilians within the contested territories. Examinations of and addendums to the text and enforcement methods of the law may be needed after more than a decade of bloodshed and death. I will pray that this request will prompt such actions, despite the poor faith of its initial wording. I stand ready to abide by its ruling, though I believe Lord Sarum’s order will be upheld and the spirit in which it is made vindicated before the intergalactic community. > > Signed, > Sir Navarch Aldrith Ter’neth Shutaq Newelle > Lord Consort of Damnidios Para’nash > Paladin Ordinary of the Excubitoris Chapter of the Sacred Throne Order I’m just preserving this for posterity for the ‘Aldrith is scheming against the Sarum because he’s actually working for the Khanid’ file. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/949 "2019-10-21T02:20:57Z")
I would remind Pilot Shutaq and other Amarr loyalists that the actions of the so-called Elder Fleet were neither officially sanctioned nor in any way affiliated with the legally constituted government of the Republic. The ships and personnel manning them were not Republic Fleet and were in fact built secretly in Thukker space with funds illegally diverted from the government. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 5:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/950 "2019-10-21T05:17:56Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I’m just preserving this for posterity for the ‘Aldrith is scheming against the Sarum because he’s actually working for the Khanid’ file. I see no scheming there. It is asking for clarification on the CONCORD-legality of the war he is fighting. That is a fair question and does not to me suggest any kind of disloyalty or _intent_ there-of towards his liege-lords. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/951 "2019-10-21T07:36:01Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > I would remind Pilot Shutaq and other Amarr loyalists that the actions of the so-called Elder Fleet were neither officially sanctioned nor in any way affiliated with the legally constituted government of the Republic. I’m going to remind people that it was a combined Elder-Thukker fleet and that Sanmatar Shakor welcomed the Thukkers into the bosom of his new tribal republic, thereby making him complicit with their actions. Cos if I, the Greatest Sani Sabik philosopher of the modern era point it out, the Amarr loyalists will not back me up, because they would rather die of being tickled by a thousand demons of Molok than agree with my pronouncements. And so that line of argumentation gets stamped out, crushed under the heels of my fabulous shoes. Zing. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/952 "2019-10-21T12:57:10Z")
> [@Appeal to CONCORD against House Sarum's illegal slave taking](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/appeal-to-concord-against-house-sarums-illegal-slave-taking/196438/38): > > Let’s kill more Amarians! > That’s actually useful! It’s not useful. > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > it was a combined Elder-Thukker fleet > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > Sanmatar Shakor welcomed the Thukkers into the bosom of his new tribal republic, These two things are not related. Correlation does not equal causation. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/953 "2019-10-21T12:59:13Z")
That the Republic was ordered by CONCORD to detain the Elder fleet, but the Republic allowed the Elders to pass unchallenged through their space, is. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/954 "2019-10-21T13:19:30Z")
> [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](#): > > It’s not useful. They’re probably immensely impressed by a bunch of people signing their posts without even a hint of a threat behind it. That’s not useful, it’s toothless. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/955 "2019-10-21T13:25:55Z")
Well, you know, why not both? CONCORD is meant to keep atrocities between the empires in check (which it _mostly_ has). So while you can petition them to spank the Empire or at least Sarum’s butt, you can also take up arms in the warzone. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/956 "2019-10-21T13:49:21Z")
> [@Appeal to CONCORD against House Sarum's illegal slave taking](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/appeal-to-concord-against-house-sarums-illegal-slave-taking/196438/38): > > > [@Appeal to CONCORD against House Sarum's illegal slave taking](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/appeal-to-concord-against-house-sarums-illegal-slave-taking/196438/38): > > > > Let’s kill more Amarians! > > That’s actually useful! > > It’s not useful. > > > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > > > it was a combined Elder-Thukker fleet > > > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > > > Sanmatar Shakor welcomed the Thukkers into the bosom of his new tribal republic, > > These two things are not related. > > Correlation does not equal causation. I just wanted to use Shakors name and bosom in the same sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/957 "2019-10-21T14:00:04Z")
> [@Samira\_Kernher](#): > > That the Republic was ordered by CONCORD to detain the Elder fleet, but the Republic allowed the Elders to pass unchallenged through their space, is. By some interpretations. Other interpretations may view it as more of a Shrug of God. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > That’s not useful, it’s toothless. If you think the LUMEN petition is toothless, then you aren’t paying attention. I’ll break it down for you: The capsuleer-side “proxy” for House Sarum is basically PIE. Their primary allies are LUMEN. If Sarum proceeds on his body-grabbing route, then he’s likely to be doing so with his proxies fighting without the help of those allies. > [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > I just wanted to use Shakors name and bosom in the same sentence. This is acceptable. Although Shakor trying to please his favorite bosom might be about to get us into an actual war, so there’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Valerie\_Valate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valerie_valate/32/386231_2.png) [@Valerie\_Valate](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valerie_Valate)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/958 "2019-10-21T14:21:12Z")
Begun, The Bosom Wars have. ---
**Author:** ![Zenour\_Noud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zenour_noud/32/427489_2.png) [@Zenour\_Noud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zenour_Noud)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/959 "2019-10-21T14:24:45Z")
> [@Petition to the Throne, Imperial Majesty Catiz I](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/9): > > Nothing of the sort is clear. Reverend, if I am not speaking out of turn, perhaps some of the concerns felt by the faithful originate from this absense of clarity, something that thoughtful consideration of Scripture has yet to resolve. We often caution against hasty reforms, but many of the laity, while we execute the Word of God and the Holy Throne in the material sense, have yet to digest the spiritual grist of the _Pax e Kilizhi Do_. The urgency of the Heirs’ proclamations may, for some, leave wanting of deeper ecclesiastical dialogue that bears the faithful through hardships shared. ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/960 "2019-10-21T14:57:14Z")
> [@Petition to the Throne, Imperial Majesty Catiz I](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/7): > > Also, the rather blatant attempt to subvert Lord Arrach Sarum’s will is noted. So, umm, is Arsia a traitor now? I mean, if she needs to clear out sharpish - say from a highly luxurious cell-like structure - I totally don’t know a guy who might be able to help… Also, does this mean Aldrith and Chakaid are on the same side now? ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/961 "2019-10-21T15:02:10Z")
The fact that she is against the meaningless slaughter of her kin over what has basically been touted as bolstering her empires workforce gives me alot more respect for her… This decree is meaningless in the grand scale of things. It’s forcing a hand that shouldn’t need to be raised. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/962 "2019-10-21T18:22:50Z")
As the escalations keep building and building, I find myself wondering what, other than this meaningless slaughter, on _both_ sides, really sows. I’m working on a plan to help save lives in the warzone, and to secure my clan. But beyond that, I’m… disengaging. It all makes me feel so low, and I don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/963 "2019-10-21T18:37:41Z")
It’s sometimes the best and wisest course of action, to know when you have done what you can, and you do not let it consume you. Life should be more than the singular turmoils of our day. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/964 "2019-10-21T18:38:16Z")
Wish I could say the same,but this is a callback to what they’ve done in the past. We can not let this happen again. We MUST show a show of force or history can and **will** repeat itself. If you have ever said “never again,” “never another long night,” ECT one must act. That’s not to say we can’t hope they will see reason. We must be ready to do what we must to maintain the tribes and our Republic. ---
**Author:** ![Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicoletta_mithra/32/378065_2.png) [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicoletta_Mithra)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/965 "2019-10-21T19:22:20Z")
> “The position of the Imperial Throne on so-called “extralegal planetary incursions” is considerably affected by the continuing extralegal, as one might say, sanctions unilaterally imposed on the Amarr Empire and its subjects by the Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. Perhaps, if they are so keen to see an end to “extralegality” in interstellar affairs, they will reflect on the destabilizing effects of their policy of economic blockade and sabotage.” - Captain Marshal Sirdan xer Qosh, the Amarr delegate to the Inner Circle You could trade, it’s quite clear that HRM is open to that from what has been said. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/966 "2019-10-21T19:45:26Z")
Sanctions and planetary invasions are in entirely different categories. Planetary invasions are governed by interstellar law through CONCORD treaties. Sanctions are internal policy decisions. It is well within the power of any nation to impose sanctions on corporations and persons that do business within their territories, as part of their foreign policy. In that sense, yeah, it’s extralegal – it’s outside the bounds of interstellar law. Planetary invasions and enslavement are _not_. I’m disappointed with xer Qosh on this. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718.md?page=47) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718.md?page=49)