Off-Topic Thread vol. 2

How broadly do you apply that principle Ms Cora?
Niarja and Raravoss were not the first, or most egregious thefts.

While I agree with you, I don’t think trying to give back the rest of Athra will really achieve much right now. You guys do get to keep some of what you’ve stolen from other nations.

I suppose we’ll see. If I ever do follow their examples and start trying to tear down the efforts of those I’m supposed to consider brethren, then I will accept all the accusations of fragility you throw at me.

Fragility of ego comes in all sorts of flavors, and doesn’t require tearing down the efforts of others.

For example, being incapable of admitting error, because your self-image is too inextricably linked to a faith.

It’s a good thing that I have a record of admitting error when appropriate, then. Even when it’s necessitated retracting statements made in anger towards those I strongly disagree with.

Stating that Amarr has not contravened the terms of its international agreements is not a statement made in error, however. And I must admit that I find it interesting when those supportive of a nation and peoples that do have a history of undermining their international obligations try to suggest otherwise. It suggests that there may be a bit of projection involved.

There is no such thing where the true faith is concerned. Free thought is the begetter of disorder, after all.

But we know how these conversations pan out. I’ve been drawn out more than enough on this topic already.

It is.

This argument only works if you’re attempting to imply anyone’s claimed the Republic is innocent or virtuous. The Sanmatar’s the public face of a kinslaying conspiracy that murdered thousands of our people, and will likely murder thousands more if it’s politically expedient toward their pursuit of power. Is that supposed to be a shock to anyone? Those in power are invariably corrupt in some way—they sought power, FFS.

We’re not the ones insisting that our power structure is exempt from repercussions, or answerable only to an imaginary space-fairy that exists only in the book that says we’re allowed to be as evil as we want, but you’re not.

Spoken like someone who knows her position is indefensible.

Didn’t ARC post an open bounty about 2 months ago incentivizing the hunting and destruction of Caldari Navy vessels for snippets of data?

Didn’t ARC endanger those very same people left in Pochven you claim to care about with that ridiculous “evacuation” operation way back?

Isn’t ARC even arguably to blame for the aggression of Drifters and their drones, having hunted the latter down fanatically when the first, harmless models emerged?

I could keep going but we’d be here all day. Anyone that takes even a cursory look at your organization and its history can see clear as day that you are nothing but a gang of irresponsible self-styled researchers that care for nothing but whatever curiosity has grabbed your interest at the time, something that in typical independent capsuleer fashion, you engage with violently and 0 forethought.

To imply that you are motivated by philanthropic aspirations is nothing short of laughable.

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Thank you for providing such a clear example of my remarks.

A open bounty was offered for the data. Something you yourself has also done for the same ‘snippets of data’

ARC was open throughout it all and a diplomatic agreement was almost made, despite the people being treated as hostages. The reaction to someone who claimed to speak with consent of the Triglavian Collective was all it took to show the true and bloodthirsty nature of many of the pro-triglavian supporters. And before you bring up the infiltrator that abused the evacuation effort: ARC has already been cleared of that. It’s certainly an argument that keeps being brought up like a broken record.

There is zero evidence of this and plenty of others did exactly the same thing. It’s just very convenient to lay the blame on an organisation that is open about it and shared the results, isn’t it?

If I didn’t know any better I would say someone is having a bad case of projection and maybe even envy.

But once again thank you for confirming several of my statements that you referred to.

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The bounty on naval intelligence data was a bounty on Caldari Navy vessels. It followed a string of defiant violations of Navy ordinances.

This was my first direct contact with ARC, and it engraved in my mind the impression of your gang as vicious, flippant tabloid reporters. It will take much to change that.

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Might be the weightiest sentence of… whatever that was; I confess a little awe at using so many words for a literary equivalent of a child covering her ears.

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I spit out my tea. Thanks for this.

I don’t believe that the honorable Malitia-haani has, at any point, offered a bounty on the collation and collection of such data fragments, Dutch. It is important to try and keep facts straight.

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Oh no, they did. They just want you to think they didn’t. It’s all good. People are very adept at changing their stripes to suit them in this universe.

I certainly have. At least I’m honest about it.

Oh my, what controversy!

I won’t try and defend the crimes of ARC, but hey, we’ve all done morally dark things. It comes with being capsuleers. I will give them two thumbs up for this recent operation though. A broken clock, and all that~

There’s nothing really controversial. I have been telling about it all this time. The ARC is an organization that was started in the first place by a disgraced person who was spreading open lies and defamations about State personnel. I have this organization marked as ‘hostile’ since quite long ago and would treat them on the grid with warm welcoming fire, not really differentiating them much from gallentean invaders or gurista.

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And hey, that’s your right. But I couldn’t really care who they slandered. If they’re killing my enemies, then that’s that. Same with the Empire: I may have a good amount of disdain for them, but I still cheer when they stomp the Trig’s. And if it thins out the Empire’s ranks a bit in the process, win-win.

Well, when they slander, it means they are aggressive and hostile to such degree to act in illegally criminal ways to show their hostility. Which, I hope you agree, is a bit more severe than simply declaring themselves as enemies. Becase when they show their hostility by committing a criminal offense (like libels or slander), they become not just enemies, but also criminals.

I probably could cheer if they kill another enemy. Or I could cheer if they will be killed by that enemy. But don’t you think it’s too much cheering for no actual gain?

Winds.

Kim, by all appearances, you remain the same cardboard cut-out of a militia pilot you were eight years ago. I’m almost impressed with your consistency, if that weren’t the consistency of undifferentiated gruel.

Ms. Jouhinen, the ‘crimes,’ per Kim, are basically as follows: I said mean things about her. Also, I lied about her. Ergo, evil and dishonorable. She actually spent some years attempting to derail any ARC-related thread I’d post on this basis.

The lies: calling her a Provist. Her argument was that she was never part of the Providence Directorate, so even though she’d love to have been, so it was a lie. Even though she was, by every measure of colloquial language, as Provist as an independent Capsuleer can be.

Also, I accused her of piracy when she, under station guns, engaged fellow militia pilots of Pyre Falcon, who she disliked as their particular brand of loyalty didn’t involve feverish worship of Heth. There are, of course, the usual Galnet records supporting this, along with public statements from the time by PYRE pilots about Kim’s usual trouble.

OH! And there was the time that she decided it was a lie and slander to accuse her of summarily executing ethnic Gallente GalMil prisoners of war, despite that it was her OWN capsuleer profile account that broadcast the footage of that very thing.

Lastly, ‘disrespecting an officer in uniform’ or some such. Because evidently being mean to a militia pilot like KIm is criminal, and anyone Kim deems fit is subject to her personal interpretation of military discipline.

I suppose the final straw was that she demanded a duel to salve her injured honor and/or pride, and I laughed at her.

As I still do to this day.

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Dredged this up. Original by @Charles_Cambridge_Schmidt I believe.

Edited to be less in ones face.

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While I’ll still uncertain as to how good an idea it is to meme on a given pilot, Teinyhr, this is an excellent example of how sometimes farcically far pilots will push ‘personal interpretations’ so as to present themselves in the best light. There are more than a few hypocritical pilots out there always seeking the moral high ground while engaging in mental gymnastics that would give a philosopher an aneurysm.

It’s best, pilots, to admit when there’s fault, to engage honestly and forthrightly, and so on. Please note, however, that this sort of forthrightness requires that all parties approach the conversation with at least some amount of willingness to engage.

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