# Off-Topic Thread vol. 2 **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [July 4, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718 "2019-07-04T14:24:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 5581
**Author:** ![Evi\_Polevhia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/evi_polevhia/32/501296_2.png) [@Evi\_Polevhia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Evi_Polevhia)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/5581 "2022-10-17T07:12:18Z")
> [@Henrik\_Suzaku](#): > > No Caldari has made this argument thus far. ASMR weaves carefully around the issue, describing the sites as “Triglavian sites secured by an EDENCOM member state” and calling the incidents “unsanctioned intrusions”. No Caldari has made this argument? > [@\[SAYR-\] ASMR News Special Report! ARC Fleet Collaborates with Triglavian Kybernauts against the State!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sayr-asmr-news-special-report-arc-fleet-collaborates-with-triglavian-kybernauts-against-the-state/380532/1): > > A fleet of combat ships led by the Arataka Research Consortium commander ‘Dutchgunner’ was spotted today invading Triglavian Relay sites that had been secured by the Caldari Navy in Athounon! > [@\[SAYR-\] ASMR News Special Report! ARC Fleet Collaborates with Triglavian Kybernauts against the State!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sayr-asmr-news-special-report-arc-fleet-collaborates-with-triglavian-kybernauts-against-the-state/380532/3): > > ARC appears determined to remain on a collision course with the State. > [@\[SAYR-\] ASMR News Special Report! ARC Fleet Collaborates with Triglavian Kybernauts against the State!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sayr-asmr-news-special-report-arc-fleet-collaborates-with-triglavian-kybernauts-against-the-state/380532/4): > > This is a crime against the State. > [@\[SAYR-\] ASMR News Special Report! ARC Fleet Collaborates with Triglavian Kybernauts against the State!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sayr-asmr-news-special-report-arc-fleet-collaborates-with-triglavian-kybernauts-against-the-state/380532/6): > > First putting bounties out, now actively attacking Navy personel? The very first line about it from all the detractors, including ASMR, in the ‘[[SAYR-] ASMR News Special Report! ARC Fleet Collaborates with Triglavian Kybernauts against the State!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sayr-asmr-news-special-report-arc-fleet-collaborates-with-triglavian-kybernauts-against-the-state/380532)’ thread were concerns about ARC versus the State, not EDENCOM. Yes, ASMR went on to talk about ‘member state of EDENCOM’ but that is just a neutral way of saying the State. They didn’t say EDENCOM, they said member state of EDENCOM. It was not concern for EDENCOM, it was concern for the State. I’m not saying you cannot be concerned for the State or Caldari Navy personnel. But stop pretending like this is some neutral concern, it is not. > [@Henrik\_Suzaku](#): > > The substance of the issue is that ARC continues to work directly and openly against State interests. That they claim to be an ‘international’ organization not hostile to the Caldari is a farce that must be shamed. If the data within those Triglavian relays is important to national security it should, if this was a sane world, be in the hands of EDENCOM and not the Caldari State. Just like the failure of EDENCOM to secure the Arshat transmuter from the Empire saw the creation of those three abominations in Minmatar space, so too shall I think we will look back on this data being fought over by the State and Federation as the core for a future failing. The big four cannot be individually trusted with precursor information. They are too quick to weaponize it against each other and push for more death and war. The Amarr are using their new toys as experimental weapons. So too do I have no faith that the State and Federation would be any different. ARC at least seeks knowledge and to my understanding has not built terrifying weapons with which to obliterate star systems. I don’t know ARC’s motives or goals. I know what they were like some years ago when I worked with them to uncover the initial mysteries surrounding the Triglavians. They keep their methods close to their chest but they do release their findings publicly, openly, with everyone. Which is how it should be. I have some small amount of faith that if this data means anything significant, they will do so again and release the information for all. I have no such faith that the State would be so humanitarian. Too focused on their grudges and the profit that they think not of the blood. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718)._