# Off-Topic Thread vol. 2

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718>\
**Category:** Intergalactic Summit\
**Created:** [July 4, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718 "2019-07-04T14:24:46Z")\
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**Post date:** [October 3, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/off-topic-thread-vol-2/171718/747 "2019-10-03T22:11:21Z")

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> [@\[CAVTT\] The Test of Faith](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cavtt-the-test-of-faith/193415/29):
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> We do so mostly because we have those very same weaknesses in ourselves - but lack the strength or courage to tackle them right there, within ourselves. And thus, we loathe them even more when we encounter them in others. Because the others turn into mirrors, showing to us our greatest failings.

But can’t that also be said of the weakness that compels people to accept _order_ over virtue? To _obey_ because it’s _easier_ than having to think for yourself? If one _is_ capable, without intermediary, of turning toward God, then doesn’t that, in and of itself, mean that person is capable of judging for _themselves_ just what ‘turning toward God’ is, in the first place? Isn’t that _exactly_ what’s being decried when Gaven claims

> [@\[CAVTT\] The Test of Faith](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cavtt-the-test-of-faith/193415/21):
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> We Cannot Choose our own Scripture

and

> [@\[CAVTT\] The Test of Faith](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cavtt-the-test-of-faith/193415/21):
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> Individualism is the Enemy

?

> [@\[CAVTT\] The Test of Faith](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/cavtt-the-test-of-faith/193415/29):
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> The way to God is always free, for who’d be able to stand between Him and His creation?

Right there, you’ve established a simple thing that _supports_ Samira’s position, and utterly eviscerates Gaven’s. If the way to God is always free, because none can stand between God and his creation, then _no-one and nothing_ is needed as intermediary. There is no need for any higher authority to show the way. There is no need for any Theology Council. There is no need to _others_ to interpret Scripture. The seeker has only to place their faith in God, and he will provide to them the understanding he has determined is right for them to have.

Who can stand between Him and His creation? Not a Theology Council. Not an Empire. Not unfathomably endless volumes of Scripture.

So why are you _trying_? Is it anything more than the fear that she—and **you** , with what you’ve said there—might be _right_?

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