Off-Topic Thread


(Kalaratiri) #2608

I’m not belittling her for being vulnerable, I’m pointing out that the very reason she’s feeling excluded in the first place is for doing exactly the same kind of thing she’s doing here.

If there’s one thing I do respect about the Amarr capsuleers, it’s their particular understanding of how to keep their mouths shut. Something Vea seems to continually struggle with.

Pouring your heart out over the IGS might work once in a blue moon, but my sympathy for someone bemoaning a self-inflicted “predicament” (please, someone exile me to the land of free money), is Not High.


(Melisma Ramijozana) #2609

I don’t think either you or I are familiar enough with the situation to be able to make these kinds of determinations.

And as she’s said multiple times, her name’s not “Vea.”


(Kalaratiri) #2610

She can attempt to rebrand herself as much as she likes, but some of us have long memories.

She will always be Vea.


(Melisma Ramijozana) #2611

Whatever.


(Aria Jenneth) #2612

For me also. Safe travels, suuolo.


(Valerie Valate) #2613

Funny ha ha , or funny peculiar ?


(Aria Jenneth) #2614

Well … yes?


(Teinyhr) #2615

Yes.



(Jason Galente) #2616

This strikes me as a bit tone-deaf given what I was talking about. Does that social contract say anything about the Federation having no obligation to restore the homeworld of one of the oldest foundational members of the Federation, whom comprise a massive percentage of the Federal military? Thus ignoring a basic need of any nation? If so, that’s not a very balanced social contract for us.


(Evi Polevhia) #2617

Why isn’t Aria Jenneth treated the same way?


(Constantin Baracca) #2618

I’m not aware of Alizabeth’s situation since I was away, but I can say that Aria is treated differently than before because she has become a better, more complete person than she was before. When what you become is greater than what you were, it becomes more noteworthy. Sometimes, it takes time, perseverance, and patience. Judgment does change, though, if one is determined to do so.


(Jason Galente) #2619

I’d say Alizabeth is also a better person than she once was. Though she may have shifted from one extreme to another, but that’s a subjective matter. And others know her better than I.


(Auriga Menkalinan) #2620

No offence intended.

That said, maybe you should remind yourself of the text of the petition. It acknowledges the existence of the planetary rejuvenation programme sponsored by the Federal Administration. All the petition asks for is an update on the progress of this programme.

As I am sure you know, the programme began in YC 46 (as soon as the security situation made it practicable) and is expected to take at least another 30 years or so to take effect.

Given this, I am not sure what your point is. Mannar is being restored; it takes time.

If you are complaining about the lack of response to the petition, perhaps the Senate did not feel obliged to provide one given that results are decades away at the earliest.


(Kalaratiri) #2621

Aria functionally is a different person. Comparing the personalities and actions of Aria and her prior shows a radical shift from one to the other.

Vea, while attempting and perhaps at times even succeeding to change, remains very much herself.


(Constantin Baracca) #2622

As well as I. I can’t comment on Alizabeth’s current state as I haven’t heard anything about it, one way or the other. All I could certainly comment on was why we see Aria differently than before.


(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #2623

She is, by many.


(Loai Qerl) #2624

Pfu, Lord Consort Shutaq-Newelle calls her “Vesper” once in a while, but I have never seen anything worse than that, and I certainly have never seen him keep doing it when she tells him to stop, because she hasn’t done that. And I don’t doubt that if she did, he would. Alizabeth tells people to not use Vea all the time. ALL the time! And here we are. It is not the same.


(Arrendis) #2625

So Alizabeth can’t expect to be treated differently unless she, too, declares she’s suffered a completely unique infomorph transfer corruption never seen before or since[1]?

Alizabeth Vea, the sani sabik hedonist, is no different than Alizabeth, retainer of Mitara Newelle and mother of two, who just went and prosecuted a ground campaign with the express intention of minimizing loss of life.

I gotta admit, that’s pretty rich coming from someone who only weeks ago was making a big fuss about 'oh, I may be with the Angel Cartel, but I’m not one of the bad ones, I’m not one of the slavers.

Her last name, she identifies with a period in her life she no longer wishes to identify as ‘who I am’. It’s not a huge ask to show her the common frickin’ courtesy of respecting that desire.


  1. For the record, Aria, I don’t care if it happened or if you faked it to start over. You are who you are now, not who you were, no matter how you got from there to here.

(Aria Jenneth) #2626

So … just to say a little something here: with apologies, Kala, I have to agree with Arrendis and Loai. Ali’s case and mine are similar in some ways, but different in a pretty key way. And, I think if someone ought to be forgiven, it’s her.

Ali is a timeline reversion. The person she never wants to become, and whose name she refuses, “Alizabeth Vea,” was as I understand it a pretty blood-soaked heretic. This version of her never did any of that, though; she’s a copy from before that time. She had, on waking, the same potential that the originator did-- but she also knows what became of her alternate branch. She has not, in her own timeline, committed the same crimes; those belong to someone who was once herself, but followed a different path. I’m not aware of a culture that’s good with punishing people for crimes they haven’t committed.

I’m an amnesiac. I woke four years ago with a head full of intellectual knowledge, but no knowledge of myself or memory of my past. The person I was, before, is part of my timeline. Everything she did up until she created the backup clone that became me, I am a continuation from. I just can’t remember.

I also don’t remember a lot of the stuff that made her who she was. I know Father beat Mother to death before my eyes, but I don’t remember it. I know I grew up the half-blood daughter of a murderer in rural Achura. I know Mother’s family was embarrassed by my existence. I know I sought capsuleer training in spite of the dangers mostly in a bid to prove I wasn’t useless. I know I interpreted death in the pod as real, and myself as dead-- a ghost. And I know I blamed Mother’s family, and especially its patriarch, for my death. I know that’s why I murdered Grandfather.

I don’t remember any of that. But is there a place in this world where forgetfulness is a defense to kinslaying? Or any of the other things I’ve done?

I’m still her, in the end. If I really believe in justice, I should go home and face what I did. But, I don’t, and I’m not in such a hurry to die. I have stuff I want to do. So, instead of returning, I accept exile and stay away, and try to find ways to bleach away or else somehow compensate for the stain I’ve left on this world.

I’m “her,” a continuation of a single person, branched only after what mattered was already done. Ali isn’t. She’s herself, but not the person that other branch became.

If either one of us deserves forgiveness, it’s Ali.


(Arrendis) #2627

:gestures to the IGS: I am.