Off-Topic Thread

(Charles Cambridge Schmidt) #2462

You don’t know me and I’m a literal nobody in regards to the conflict but I’ll happily take you up on this offer.

(Makoto Priano) #2463

Alright, so. I’m not normally one to involve myself in the Amarr-Minmatar conflict for obvious reasons. I have to ask, however: what makes the Amarr religion a death cult?

(Mizhara Del'thul) #2464

It’s not very easily applied to the Rite other than in the most generic terms. You can technically apply it to any religion espousing a rewarding afterlife and working towards this post-death bliss, but it’s in the Rite’s case somewhat disingenuous. I think it’s just being bundled in with some other faiths that are a bit more directly into worship of ascended mortals and so on.

Technically it’s true, but I wouldn’t use the term.

(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #2465

You gotta be ■■■■■■■ kidding me.

(Garion Avarr) #2466

Have I given you reason to think I am?

(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #2467


I am starting to think you are actually not stupid, but insane.

(Kyle Saltz) #2468

Did someone mention drinks? Where and when?

(Gaven Lok'ri) #2469

I wish they were.

(Aria Jenneth) #2470

Really? … I guess you might not have watched us very closely, before, Else. LUMEN’s actually at its strongest when nobody’s shooting anybody.

(Melisma Ramijozana) #2471

Absolutely. If I end up doing drinks, consider yourself on the guest list. If it’s Garion, though, you may have to check with him.

To provide a modicum of context: I’ve had drinks with Aria and Garion (and others) before, and we generally found each other to be pleasant company.

You’re not wrong, though, as the general reaction to this on both sides is quite aplty summed up here:

(Arrendis) #2472

Eh, a certain level of ‘ok, we’re done killing one another now, we can be social’ is pretty common in a lot of the cluster. I mean, there’s a point at which the bad blood gets too much, and I’d always be wary of letting them get to know you enough to be predictable…

… but at the same time, I’ve found that in general, most people are bad enough at that last bit that it’s advantageous to get to know them.

(Deitra Vess) #2473

Isn’t everything at it’s strongest when not under stress?

(Arrendis) #2474

Corn starch and water isn’t.

(Deitra Vess) #2475

Well, most things then.


(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #2476

As if I don’t know.

I am just eternally wondering what it takes before “ok that was a nice little rebellion we had there, now how about some Thukker whiskey” is out of the question.

EDIT: I mean, people call me a cold-blooded and hateful and whatnot, and then they simply put aside all the suffering and sacrifice and “find each other pleasant company”. Just like that. Poof. Gone. Sorry about that planet, hey. Oh well, mate, happens, what’s are a few death squads among friends.

(Melisma Ramijozana) #2477

I guess I should clarify that this is my view, and while I can’t specifically say it’s true of them, that’s generally my impression.

And trust me, I’m fully aware of the contrast. My hometown never fully recovered from the Amarr invasion. Not that even other Matari particularly care about our little piece of steppe.

The difference is that I pride myself on being able to understand individuals, and in meeting Garion and Aria, I determined that they are, at the end, good people. That’s my opinion and I don’t expect anyone else to abide by just my unsupported word.

That’s also not to say that I don’t find Garion and LUMEN’s actions with regard to EM patently dumb; I think I made myself painfully clear on that. And if I ever find them sitting between me and freeing my enslaved kin, I’m going to shoot the heck out of them (and probably die in the attempt, but it’s the thought that counts, right?).

And then, yes, we’ll probably have drinks after that, because that’s what feels right to me in this instance.

(Mizhara Del'thul) #2478

While you won’t find me disagreeing, I have much the same question about Blooders.

(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #2479

Ask me that when I am in the habit of having drinks with active Blooders.

(Mizhara Del'thul) #2480

“Active”, huh? It’s a switch you flip on and off? What’s the cooldown period between the actions and when they stop being relevant anymore? Sounds to me like “war’s over, drinks time” is something you should be very much comfortable with, since they went… “inactive”, as it were.

(Elsebeth Rhiannon) #2481

It’s a switch we can try to flip off. Sometimes it works. Often it does not. Hitting the switch repeatedly when nothing changes when you do is, obviously, stupid.

I’d be fine with having drinks with Garion Avarr if I could hire them for the Minmatar cause, too.