Utari's Puppies (Formerly Off-Topic Thread)

Don’t currently want to conquer the state. You cannot prevaricate on this Aldrith, you know as well as I do the broad mission statement of the reclamation.

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Me too. I suspect narcotic use, or possibly it is Ottom in disguise.
Either way, I’m still docked in station, and look nothing like the capsuleer in that pic.

Oh, the irony.

Likewise, thank you for demonstrating your debate skills. It is rare that someone can make it clear to me how to value their words in a few short posts. Namas.

I’m surprised to see you write this. I guess I must conclude you think CONCORD is alright with what we do in Origin. Also…

I guess you think CONCORD was perfectly fine with how the Wandering Saint was piloted in its final moments, or they just don’t give a damn about what happens in Malkalen.

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I think CONCORD action against private capsuleers is a whole lot less paperwork and ‘mother may I?’ than action against literally a Fed Navy hero at the head of the Federation fleet. Didn’t take a lot of delay for ‘crap, fire the burner’ to take too long to stop the ship.

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Do yourselves all a favour.

You are immortal now, or something close to it. Take only those like you as lovers. And I don’t mean “don’t ever sleep with a baseliner.” Do that if you want. In fact, it’s probably best if you indulge in a lot of casual sex that you do it with baseliners. Indiscretions with baseliners are less likely to lose you ISK.

What I mean is only let yourself fall in love with someone who’s as close to immortal as you are. I’m not even going to get into the temporal pontificating on how a human lifetime is a blink of an eye for us because - for most of us - it isn’t. Most of us have been immortal for less than twenty years. Yes, if this whole immortality business works out for us, eventually a single human lifetime will be the blink of an eye, but there’s no telling how long we’ll actually live or whether baseliners won’t eventually have the same advantage we do.

What I’m saying is that we can die a theoretically unlimited number of times. Most baseliners die once, and then they’re gone. And loving something that fragile is beautiful, but it’s so terribly, terribly sad. And if you want to be a successful capsuleer, you’re going to want to avoid sadness as much as you can. There are many emotions that are useful to you - anger, joy, even spite. Sadness isn’t one of them.

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Wise words. Too bad the “immortal” dating pool is laughably limited, and, the best ones are always already taken. And yes I am a monogamist, shoot me.

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On a vaguely related note, I find it fascinating and terrifying in equal measure that the vast majority of us aren’t even past half of one standard human lifetime of living yet and we’re already getting more tired of life than most baseliners are.

Immortality sure isn’t what I thought it’d be.

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I wouldn’t go that far. Most baseliners have something to aspire to. Incidentally, all capsuleers have been baseliners. Capsuleer technically has achieved everything a typical planet dwelling human would want - money, fame, stable life if they do not choose some of the shadier trades, and the long fabled technological immortality to boot. If I had to guess that makes a lot of people jaded after a while.

While I don’t usually agree with Ms. Gesagaarin on anything, she truly has nailed something that many others haven’t in their immortal lives yet, here:

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No, we’re not. We’re nothing like immortal, only our memories are. Your life will end. My life will end. If history is any judge, my life will end probably in the next week or so. And then someone else will step into my life, with all of my memories and all of my assets, wearing my face… and I’ll be forgotten. Just like the woman whose life I stepped into, and the hundred or so of ‘me’ before her. Everyone else will still have an Arrendis around, but it won’t be me. I’ll have died, and had my brain fried at the moment of death so they don’t have to be inconvenienced by my death.

We’re not immortal. We’re disposable. It’s us, not the baseliners, who are gone in the blink of an eye. You point out that they die once… but at least they live. What do we do?

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Wow way to go super dark there Arrendis.

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Also, does @kul_Shaishi ever sleep?

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What can I say, I’m a ray of sunshine!

A ray of sunshine unfiltered by any ozone layer or UV filters, searing radiation burns into skin, eyes, soft tissue… :thinking: You know, when you think about it, dark isn’t so bad, by comparison.

and no, I don’t think she does.

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I do sleep

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Well, most. There are instances in which people don’t know anything else, so life is bright and full of fascinating things to discover.

Mostly in the sphere of applied mathematics, but still…

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Sure, people can be rather interesting and engaging. Capsuleers on the other hand are usually quite typical insofar as most I’ve met seem to have the personality chosen by blindfolding someone and having them throw darts at pages from a psychology DSTM and see which random collection of conditions they exist with are.

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Murderers, thieves and tramps.

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I’m hurt by this comment.

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Were I into women you would be my top pick Halcyboo.

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Actually I think we get tired of death, every time we are fried we become less human and more digital.

I used to think as Arrendis does, that each clone is an individual life, distinct and unique. Now my view is changing, the clones we wear are not human, merely close approximations.

Our first voluntary death was our only death in the human sense, now we are infomorphs, collections of memories that interact to express our persona.As long as those memories persist so do we.

In a sense we always were just that, a memory bank of experience stored away in a biological self mobile data store. Consider as a baseliner you can retrofit chips in your brain to assist memory function, cognitive function, academic capability etc, etc.

Take that to it’s logical conclusion where the brain has been completely replaced. Is that baseliner still human? Or are they now the same as capsuleers? There would be no reason why said baseliner couldn’t be digitally copied, transferred, returned to a clone with another synthetic brain.

And one for the God squad among you, where would the soul reside? What is the soul? Is it intrinsic to the flesh, or does it live in our experiences?

In short, I’ve gotten over the whole ‘death’ thing with regards to myself, I’m still Corra no matter which meat shield my memories express themself through.

My concern is to protect my crew as best I can, and I go to extreme lengths to do so. They don’t have the luxury of a networked escape root. I guess I got tired of people being needlessly killed around me.

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I guess I am not in the vast majority.

Then again, I think my perspective on life is in the minority. That I consider strife an essential part of my human condition. Whether it comes from the benign competition between others; the desire to explore, expand, and conquer; or the struggle against oneself. They all demand one to strive, to be ambitious, to be better tomorrow than one is today.

To forego that essential strife, the demands of struggle and challenge then one only reaches the complacency that breeds stagnation and the death of a civilization’s suicide. I need only look at the Jove to see such in action. They cut out such “base” instincts that bred strife – aggression, competition, desire, and ambition. In the end, they just died of the ennui that comes from no longer having anything to strive for, or struggle against.

Many capsuleers want to be the same way.

Of course, many have balked and disagreed with my perspective over the years. Yet, here I remain as passionate to venture forth with boldness to seek out that strife which is the locus of my life. Most of them appear to have stuck the metaphorical shotgun between their lips and pulled the trigger, hoping I think, some higher power or authority will prevent me, and people just like me inheriting the cluster.

Which perhaps is the more fascinating to me, and terrifying idea to them to hold.

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Oh, you mean how I can make contradictory statements like:

Hi, I am Veikitamo, a corporate intelligence operative for Kaalakiota,

And;

Hi, I am Veikitamo, an independent mercenary, criminal, and traitor, with no ties to Kaalakiota tacit or otherwise,

Where both are simultaneously true and false depending on who you ask dear?

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