# Ok…NOW I think Eve is dying **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 22, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378 "2023-09-22T16:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/83 "2023-09-29T15:13:54Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > I mean thats potentially 3 hours of incursion running, I WISH 🤣 Me as a 1 account guy twiddling my thumbs waiting for the 10+ account multiboxers to spool up. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/84 "2023-09-29T15:14:59Z")
I said potentially 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/85 "2023-09-29T15:18:09Z")
WiS, while appealing to me is imho lethal to us …lore wise. The whole point we are called capsuleers is because we are sealed 24/7 in a burn scanner chamber called capsule …or pod. The moment we step out of pod - in flesh - we subject ourselves to certain death from which there is no coming back. I think some lore justification was missing for WiS to stay with us. And Carbon hardware requirements could played their part here too. To keep us sane and socialize WiS could be achieved in accordance with lore as telepresence. We as infomorphs interact with each other via small camera drones roaming stations or planets. Our outside world appearance is a hologram projected by those drones equipped with holoprojectors. The cosmetics we buy are just digital skins for our digital avatars we see instead of said telepresence camera drones. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/86 "2023-09-29T15:23:29Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Sure, but its an example, insert whatever timeframe you need, the point is people might not have time free to commit to a fleet that day, but can play an hour of VG etc That assumes Vanguard missions _are_ actually going to be shorter. I still have a whole bunch of un-answered questions on Vanguard. Not least…who is going to be looking after your ship in space while you go down to the surface…or will your ship be able to land…in which case who protects it, and can it be blown up on the surface, and so on. Also, what component of Vanguard will be PvE, PvP, etc, or will it be all one or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/87 "2023-09-29T15:27:23Z")
> [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > WiS, while appealing to me is imho lethal to us …lore wise. The whole point we are called capsuleers is because we are sealed 24/7 in a burn scanner chamber called capsule …or pod. > > The moment we step out of pod - in flesh - we subject ourselves to certain death from which there is no coming back. > > I think some lore justification was missing for WiS to stay with us. And Carbon hardware requirements could played their part here too. That could be resolved by having the station character simply be a ‘hard light’ hologram, like the doctor in Star Trek : Voyager. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/88 "2023-09-29T15:37:14Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Not least…who is going to be looking after your ship in space while you go down to the surface Nobody, you’re not using your capsuleer character Your ships won’t interact with the game as it stands ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/89 "2023-09-29T15:45:16Z")
There is a longstanding lore precedent for having capsuleers leave their pods for awhile, not least because being so intimately linked with a ship tends to play havoc with your sense of self and that being in a pod isnt exactly a comfortable experience for hundreds of hours at a time. Think of a long car ride. You need to stretch your physical and mental legs every so often. The latter half of A Burning Life is entirely dedicated to how much security is between any regular person and a Capsuleer’s private sanctum. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/90 "2023-09-29T15:50:38Z")
From what was answered mostly in EVE Discord by CCP Shortfall ([eve discord → #vg-general](https://discord.com/channels/940573867192221696/1154000495527084052), [eve discord → #vg-feedback](https://discord.com/channels/940573867192221696/1154000616109133854) ) , Vanguard character and EVE characters are distinct. Vanguards use [warclone technology](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/warclones). They are _pure_ infomorphs jumping from dead body into a balnk one in an instant without the aid of a burn scanner. They have no hangars no ships. They are dropped to the planet surface in the pods: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/d/5/fd5ea899540e5b12aad4e03b14b5e79014d65177.jpeg) No lore on where do said pods come from yet. My theory (not CCP’s, mind you) is that the coming back from the planet is resolved by focusing some sort of orbit receiver (at POCO, some new satellite tech?) into marked area and beaming vanguard infomorph back into the virtual space along with fetched goods plus the warclone body for later use or recycling. I think a vanguard infomorph can beam itself back, from whereever it is into virtual space - minus warclone body or fetched goods. There was some talk on the discord on dropped loot persistence upon vanguard infomorph loosing a warclone body with goods on it. So other vanguards could salvage it on behalf of fallen comrade or for themselves. Not set in stone ofc. Edit no Nth: As a reminder EVE Vanguard is not finished yet. What we are about to witness in December is not even an alpha test. So it will be buggy it will crash and burn 🙂 So we are expected to give CCP a benefit of doubt 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/91 "2023-09-29T20:01:20Z")
> [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](#): > > From what was answered mostly in EVE Discord by CCP Shortfall ([eve discord → #vg-general](https://discord.com/channels/940573867192221696/1154000495527084052), [eve discord → #vg-feedback](https://discord.com/channels/940573867192221696/1154000616109133854) ) , Vanguard character and EVE characters are distinct. Vanguards use [warclone technology](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/warclones). Which to me sounds like a very well written excuse for “We don’t know how to have your character exist ingame” Its also why i’m not going to be playing it because i’m not interested in something set in the same SINGLE UNIVERSE where i can’t continue to use my own legacy, i excused it when the game was a console exclusive and had sony money funding it, but this time its on PC, there is zero valid excuse for this ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/92 "2023-09-29T21:37:44Z")
Hold on a sec, I hope it is just for tests so. There is lots of tricks to pull out of magic lore tophat and find the way to use warclone tech as a capsuleer. Let they have the time to figure it out. We could press new CSM18 (mention forbidden for me 😕 ) to discuss this with CCP maybe? Edit: petition to CSM for same character in EVE Vanguard > [@Plead with CCP to allow Capsuleers use Vanguard warclone tech directly (and vice versa)](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/plead-with-ccp-to-allow-capsuleers-use-vanguard-warclone-tech-directly-and-vice-versa/422480): > > TL;DR / Suggestion: let CSM negotiate with CCP a way (a lore excuse for example slight_smile ) so the requirement of creating dedicated EVE Vanguard character will not be necessary in the future when EVE Vanguard, hopefully, will be officially released as part of EVE Online here to stay with us finally Forever. As most of you probably have heard, EVE Vanguard, an EVE Online upcoming FPS module in active development is scheduled for mass test in December. Aka EVE OPS: First Strike To take … ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 5:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/93 "2023-09-30T05:12:44Z")
If you want to make a successful game then you need the make the colors pop. But Vanguard is being marketed as a dark game with little color, and the environment is mostly fire and some large structure that has been destroyed. That is not an environment people yearn to go and play in imo. You can argue EVE online is a dark game color wise but it redeems itself with the icons and the old UI which had color. So I strongly advise CCP to stop pursing this path of no color and what not. It isnt attractive. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/94 "2023-09-30T05:24:50Z")
This is what CCP is up against ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/7/3/4739e02df1f5e4ea4fb296bce7bdecbad80d9be4.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/2/d/22dac323253a216ca9f6a073e53248ad6372dacc.jpeg) And this is what they have ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/b/7/eb764ac1b2252fcd13535d68c1b3d78efc2ac843.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 7:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/95 "2023-09-30T07:16:28Z")
Yeah, and what did the above game look like in Alpha? Not it’s final polished state…but in alpha? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/96 "2023-09-30T11:39:30Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > If you want to make a successful game then you need the make the colors pop. Meh…Fallout 3 was 95% bland irradiated desert yet managed to be one of the most popular games of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/97 "2023-09-30T20:10:26Z")
There is plenty of color and light in Fallout 3. You are just a troll lying and making excuses for CCP [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/8/6/6866d6a1dac7cd3863cbf3d31de2fe6a8be95035.jpeg "Details You May Have Missed In Fallout 3") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77ZlQWpiASg) The video is not about the color and light but its in-game footage and you can judge for yourself if it has any ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/98 "2023-09-30T20:25:29Z")
But if you think making a game that is 95% irradiated desert is going to be a success go ahead ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/99 "2023-09-30T20:27:40Z")
Speaking of irradiation… S.T.A.L.K.E.R anyone? Even it has plenty of color and light. But judge for yourself? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/f/4/1f4d559171aa88f2e884c880a03fcdea364d76b5.jpeg) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/5/6/d56406e171156974b5303ad81bc286e586a65e21.jpeg) source [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/c/5/0c5c4dae35ae7f6b6db81671b3172321e47b4654.jpeg "The Game That Started it All - Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2p2Jv4UuXE&t=1668) ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/100 "2023-09-30T20:37:03Z")
And thats about as much effort i want to put into making this point. take care. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/101 "2023-09-30T22:29:44Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > and the environment is mostly fire and some large structure that has been destroyed. On that planet, they aren’t all going to look like that, also, EVE _is_ dark and gritty so it fits with the actual aesthetic, can’t really compare that to cyberpunk lol ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/102 "2023-09-30T22:34:03Z")
EVE is not dark and gritty. Its space. And space is space. But look at the icons and the ship models those are the biggest parts of players visual experience when they play. They are spectacular for the most part. Minerals for example. Its eye candy as far as im concerned ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/c/b/3cb9203ef86e7967d0f2f8bc58b629d6ab107556.png) Also random screenshot of inventory. Clearly the goal was not to be dark and gritty because games like that just arent as interesting. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/4/3/d43212d74fad2e4046f0212c9d6689b95976e686.png) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378.md?page=6)