# Ok…NOW I think Eve is dying **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 22, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378 "2023-09-22T16:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/123 "2023-10-01T10:01:48Z")
> [@Zedva\_Operati](#): > > Maybe it is because capsuleer clones, and (probably modified) Jovian warclones don’t have the same exact tech in them, and (I’m assuming) that warclones have to train combat skills, but because the type of combat is so different, it requires different hardware, so you can’t safely and efficiently transfer the consciousness of a capsuleer into a warclone body Which is lore not gameplay, and my comment was more that it sounds more like CCP don’t have the skills to make it work, despite it actually being really simple in you just having a second skill table that is only displayed to people logged in to vanguard While lore is great for the handful of roleplayers in the game, gameplay does trump lore all of the way ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/124 "2023-10-01T10:48:42Z")
Guys, about Vanguard being bland, you argue, for something unfinished. CCP knew they’ll regret showing that to us… Let’s wait until its officially released before drawing some accusatory conclusions 🙂 Its **officially unfinished** yet. BTW: Have you seen FF’2009 live action demo of PC version of DUST played and commented by Hilmar himself? Part 1/2 7 min (those 2009nish memory cards lol) [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/a/7/7a771a0248dafd02c6ab21d002b5282ea94f7f0a.jpeg "Dust 514 - Gameplay Footage Fanfest 2009 [Cam] 1/2") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCIPDUh7NmM) Part 2/2 4 min [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/7/8/0783a8a95b0ab3ffcfa2162aa8b2e4e3115ae54e.jpeg "Dust 514: Gameplay Footage Fanfest 2009 [Cam] 2/2") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvZawAaliSA) 2009 interview in which Hilmar acknowledges DUST was in the making for 3 years until 2009 …and it was connected to EVE Online, enjoy 🙂 [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/c/f/bcfe17871fbd26607692005b1164924e696b2853.jpeg "DUST 514 - Interview with Hilmar Pétursson GC '09") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xpLU_hTxS4) It was longer than what we had this year. And showed more content. I’ve read on an old DUST forum it was made with EVE Online Carbon engine (remember Captains Quarters?). It was in the making at least since 2006 or 2007 to reach that 2009 state. Then in another 4 years it was crammed into PS3 and died along with it. Imho it was pushed on by evil Sooonnny to help itself with ridding few more boxes out of it’s warehouses. It should have been pushed onto PS4 at least which was released just 5 months after DUST launch. PS4 development started in 2009 and they [asked dev teams about the expectations](https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/meet-the-guy-who-engineered-the-playstation-4/#:~:text=What%20about%20the,that%20feature%20set.). CCP should sue for that and win easily in court 😉 But I guess the claims are expired now due to 5 years of [statute of limitations](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/statute-of-limitations.asp) 😕 So EVE Vanguard, while changing names, is in the making for at least 17 years by now. Just 3 years less than EVE Online is alive and not dying. The prop assault riffles wielded by pirates at FF’23 were based on that 2009 gun Hilmar played with. The colour, shape and the nozzle… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/0/7/d07c8a551b53096b18c0f913de78a3866c4b3ff9.jpeg) EVE! Forever! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/125 "2023-10-01T11:53:39Z")
We have come a long way graphics wise in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/126 "2023-10-01T21:04:55Z")
I still find eve a stunningly beautiful game in many areas of space, and some of the ship models are fantastic ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/127 "2023-10-02T07:46:41Z")
Okay describe those pictures in words, describe the colors you see. And then we can judge if its bland or not. And also adding a large explosion or fire to liven up your level design/screenshots is cheap. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/128 "2023-10-02T08:00:52Z")
Can someone explain how a ship is burning on a barren planet in the first place? Doesent fire require oxygen ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 8:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/130 "2023-10-02T08:49:32Z")
Barren planet might still have oxygen despite being inhabitable - too hot, no surface water etc… ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/131 "2023-10-02T08:52:48Z")
I was trying to look up the definition of barren when the term is used in combination with a planet and what i could find was it meant devoid of trees. So if there are no trees then there is no oxygen one would assume (Even tho scientists estimate oxygen is mostly generated by plankton, at least in Earths case) Also i am aware of how nerdy this post was. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/132 "2023-10-02T11:09:18Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Can someone explain how a ship is burning on a barren planet in the first place? Doesent fire require oxygen. And what is a ship required to contain to keep those little flesh puppets alive inside it? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/133 "2023-10-02T12:02:49Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > And what is a ship required to contain to keep those little flesh puppets alive inside it? A jacuzzi ? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/134 "2023-10-02T12:33:20Z")
I mean, i don’t disagree, but they don’t burn very well 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/135 "2023-10-02T12:46:22Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > I was trying to look up the definition of barren when the term is used in combination with a planet and what i could find was it meant devoid of trees. Elite Dangerous is perfect for you. It is literally a bunch of barren planets you can land on. As for doing stuff ON the planets you are out of luck. 😂 > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Also i am aware of how nerdy this post was. Self-awareness is the key to true wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/136 "2023-10-02T14:16:03Z")
> [@Daekarus\_Helium](#): > > As much as I love CP2077, it seems to me that the heavy push on aesthetics is slowly steering the game towards becoming more like a Cyberpunk culture icon then an engaging gameplay experience. The new fangled stylism has crept into games like In Sound Mind. An excellent horror genre game. Which has regular style real world graphics most of the time but just gotta have psychedelic, over-saturated, graphics for any ghosts or monsters. Somehow this shift to over-coloured eye candy is a bit jarring. It works, but one does get the sense that someone in a development meeting must have said ’ gotta add more eye candy for the kids '. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2023, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/137 "2023-10-02T14:28:36Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Can someone explain how a ship is burning on a barren planet in the first place? Doesent fire require oxygen Oxygen is one of the most reactive elements for burning, but you can also get burning using flourine, chlorine, and other elements on the right of the periodic table that are hungry for electrons. The process of burning without oxygen is called pyrolysis. ---
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2023, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/138 "2023-10-09T03:55:59Z")
> [@Cypherous](#): > > Which to me sounds like a very well written excuse for “We don’t know how to have your character exist ingame” > > Its also why i’m not going to be playing it because i’m not interested in something set in the same SINGLE UNIVERSE where i can’t continue to use my own legacy, i excused it when the game was a console exclusive and had sony money funding it, but this time its on PC, there is zero valid excuse for this The excuse is, the games will use different game engines. I expect we’ll be able to use the vanguard client eventually to walk around with our capsuleers, but there are probably gameplay and tech limitations on why ccp is giving us a separate warclone character for vanguard. Who knows how / if that will change in the future. > [@Cypherous](#): > > If you were landing on a populated planet then sure, but vanguards aren’t going to be fighting over those lol Yet. 🙂 There’s no reason we can’t have heist / bank robbery mission types that take place in cities. Hacking, insertion, vip capture, PI sabotage, ect. Basically every game mode in warframe and more could be implemented into vanguard. That’s one of the reasons why I want CCP to make a sim city builder and release it to the players… so we’ll have unique static cities on all the planets that can serve as pois for both EVE and vanguard. ---
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/139 "2023-10-10T23:44:47Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Well, you contradict yourself…if people are not gonna want to play an Eve FPS shooter then there wont be more people in the game. That isn’t what I said is it? > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > If someone wants to play a shooter… they’re not going to log into eve Eve isn’t a shooter. If ccp wants to keep people who want to play a shooter in their ecosystem, they need a game that fills that desire. Besides, how cool would it be to either play the operator role (dropping off supplies, running intel, hacking pois, giving objectives, ect. to your ground team,) or have someone else play that role from another game. Eventually we may be able to find an objective poi in EVE, access it, use that node to launch a vanguard mission, and then explore it with a group of friends. With the ability to stream your game, your friends can even watch you do the space stuff while they wait or vice versa. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/140 "2023-10-10T23:58:55Z")
> [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Eve isn’t a shooter. I see. And bears don’t poo in the woods, and neither is the Pope a Catholic. ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/141 "2023-10-11T06:01:20Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > and neither is the Pope a Catholic …I think Pope is True Amarr 🤔 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/b/1/cb10e8e1040b944aec79e7b52e78e445556e9fb3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elinore_en_divalone/32/507815_2.png) [@Elinore\_en\_Divalone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elinore_en_Divalone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 7:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/143 "2023-10-11T07:14:18Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > CCP is incompetent Doesn’t this depend on what area you _measure_ said incompetency in 🤔 - Company profit? - Players retention? - FF Tickets sold? What else? …this is business operation and not a community club 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378/144 "2023-10-11T12:43:21Z")
> [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > The excuse is, the games will use different game engines. Not sure what a game engine has to do with the database on the back end, thats not even remotely an excuse > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Yet. 🙂 There’s no reason we can’t have heist / bank robbery mission types that take place in cities. Hacking, insertion, vip capture, PI sabotage, ect. Basically every game mode in warframe and more could be implemented into vanguard. Sure there is, because those are dumb lol If i’m not using my capsuleer why would i want to waste time harvesting worthless resources? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ok-now-i-think-eve-is-dying/421378.md?page=8)