# Old Launcher Deprecated from 7 February 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** launcher, official\ **Created:** [February 5, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653 "2024-02-05T15:58:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 4:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/186 "2024-02-13T04:04:34Z")
Would never be a problem for me, I was never dumb enough to play with permissions on my OS partition or install an application at the root of a volume. ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/187 "2024-02-13T11:32:24Z")
I don’t get how is that related. ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/188 "2024-02-13T12:22:45Z")
More details in [Updated System Requirements - Support for EVE Mac OS 10.14 and Below Ending 8 Feb 2024 - #9 by Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/updated-system-requirements-support-for-eve-mac-os-10-14-and-below-ending-8-feb-2024/433079/9) > [@CCP\_Avalon](#): > > Just to confirm, the issues you’re encountering (screenshot) are on the MacBook Air M1? Yes. > [@CCP\_Avalon](#): > > Does the issue persist if you uninstall via Steam and re-install the game? This is the NBN speaking. All signs point to copper wiring, risking having to download the entire EVE shared cache again is not on my to do list. Bug Filled under EBR-14082. Best guess is ~/Library/Application\ Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Eve\ Online/EVE\ Online.app/Contents/MacOS/eve-online needs a xattr to allow it to be called after the new launcher overwrites it. > [@CCP\_Avalon](#): > > They may be able to provide you with some guidance regarding getting the launcher/game running under those environments. Tempting, but I am not happy with the gargantuan resource utilisation of WINE running EVE. Its not good for the computer to be run at such a high utilisation, for the most part I like linux because windows is evil, but I would rather not wreck my system by burning it out. The Mac client looks much less resource hungry. If [https://www.darlinghq.org](https://www.darlinghq.org) had GUI support it might be a functional alternative to WINE. I wonder though, if its ok to ask the community for help with language translations, why not ask the community for help doing native binaries? ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/189 "2024-02-13T17:25:56Z")
> [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](#): > > Would never be a problem for me, I was never dumb enough to play with permissions on my OS partition or install an application at the root of a volume. Could you please at least try to inform yourself what the issue actually was before writing up something completely random and not related stuff? It affected everyone at that time who managed to update while the error persisted. Here you go [https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/about-the-boot.ini-issue](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/about-the-boot.ini-issue) ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/190 "2024-02-14T11:51:56Z")
> [@CCP\_Arcade](#): > > It will be necessary to update to the new launcher in order to start EVE Online. The new launcher was a mess on my windows partition. Launcher would not install as I did not have enough free space, so its not smart enough to know the total download will be less when SharedCache already exists and is populated. Moved the shared folder to an external USB, installed launcher, moves content back, ran launcher. Delta was downloaded. Good so far. Next it said all my tokens were invalid format. Sigh. Find old launcher executable, install. rename C:\EVE to C:\EVE2 move SharedFolder from EVE2 to EVE. Old Launcher is fine. Play eve. Log off. New launcher force update. Next day. Profiles are all trashed, overviews are default. Repeat installation of old launcher. Play eve. It is pretty clear the new launcher is not going away, but please, stop with the enshittification of things that already work just fine. ---
**Author:** ![TiberianSun371AlexW](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiberiansun371alexw/32/510819_2.png) [@TiberianSun371AlexW](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiberianSun371AlexW)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/191 "2024-03-12T13:07:32Z")
I don’t like how the new launcher requires me to hold down the character for 5 seconds. Why can’t I just have a one click way to get to the character select screen? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/192 "2024-03-12T13:20:45Z")
you can change the length . Mine is 2s. launcher options \> launcher : ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/c/9/dc989d843d7c85c035022eca496462b41a670980.png) you can also use ctr click instead of click and hold. ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/193 "2024-03-12T16:09:26Z")
Why don’t you click on the play button instead and go to the character selection screen from there? (needs the option activated of course). There are also two different playbutton modes, depending on the window size of the launcher. ---
**Author:** ![RedBlue\_Purple](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redblue_purple/32/416317_2.png) [@RedBlue\_Purple](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RedBlue_Purple)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/194 "2024-04-18T18:40:18Z")
The downgraded launcher hasn’t reached feature and quality parity, it has massive memory leaks that cause severe performance problems. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/195 "2024-04-18T21:46:27Z")
Do you know what feature parity means? because it does everything the old launcher did. That is feature parity. I have had my launcher open for 2 days and it sits at 145 Mb memory usage. No evidence of a massive memory leak. Can you explain to use what performance problem you think a memory leak would cause? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/196 "2024-04-18T21:53:42Z")
> [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](#): > > because it does everything the old launcher did. labels ? ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/197 "2024-04-18T22:01:16Z")
next to every character - which was not a feature in the old launcher, and on every account next to omega status? ---
**Author:** ![Elysianne\_Uhkretor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elysianne_uhkretor/32/410284_2.png) [@Elysianne\_Uhkretor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elysianne_Uhkretor)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/198 "2024-05-05T23:12:43Z")
I’m not sure if anyone’s still seeing this thread, but here it goes… After trying some things on my own, Launcher (app-1.3.5) runs on Debian with Wine 9.0, requiring only vkd3d installed (the libraries in the Linux distro). Also, considering that its running with a **x86 vkd3d library** instead of the _supposedly intended_ (or, at least, expected) amd64 library: - “eve-online.exe: **PE32+ executable (GUI) x86-64**, for MS Windows, 15 sections” … Its 2024. You can do better, CCP… Just drop x86 completely already, even the stupid smartphone charger has an internal AI and supports amd64 (a.k.a. x64 / 64-bit)… :facepalm: ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2024, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/199 "2024-05-06T11:31:00Z")
> [@Elysianne\_Uhkretor](#): > > I’m not sure if anyone’s still seeing this thread, but here it goes… Every now and then. > [@Elysianne\_Uhkretor](#): > > After trying some things on my own, Launcher (app-1.3.5) runs on Debian with Wine 9.0, requiring only vkd3d installed (the libraries in the Linux distro). No steam, no winetricks, no lutris, no bottles? Just a straight up Debian intstall running the setup.exe ? > [@Elysianne\_Uhkretor](#): > > Also, considering that its running with a **x86 vkd3d library** instead of the _supposedly intended_ (or, at least, expected) amd64 library: > > - “eve-online.exe: **PE32+ executable (GUI) x86-64**, for MS Windows, 15 sections” You got me there. I thought the way to tell if something was 64 bit was to check " **IMAGE\_FILE\_LARGE\_ADDRESS\_AWARE**" in the header but that was like 15 years ago last I messed with that. > [@Elysianne\_Uhkretor](#): > > Its 2024. You can do better, CCP… Just drop x86 completely already, even the stupid smartphone charger has an internal AI and supports amd64 (a.k.a. x64 / 64-bit) Thing is when I look at the eve processes in htop they can be using way more than 4GByte, I put screencaps in another channel. Not saying you are wrong, just saying they cannot both use more than 4G of accessible RAM and be 32 bit. I re-did my linux install with pop OS. New launcher does some annoying stuff with the versioned launcher directories. DX12 with shaders on higher than low seems to cause problems, but on DX11 its fine. Care to share how your launcher/graphics settings are configured? ---
**Author:** ![Galinius\_Valgani](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galinius_valgani/32/398510_2.png) [@Galinius\_Valgani](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galinius_Valgani)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/200 "2024-05-13T14:30:42Z")
After several Month of pausing I now came back and honestly. Due to not having the direct comparison…I like it. Can add multiple accounts. See which is Omaga. The Launcher does everything I need. Cheers devteam. One annoying think is there After the launcher. On pressing play it may take Minutes to start up an Eve instance. That is not something i remember with the old launcher and i really hope this will get better with time. ---
**Author:** ![MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malcomreynolds_serenity/32/385107_2.png) [@MalcomReynolds\_Serenity](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MalcomReynolds_Serenity)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/201 "2024-05-14T03:55:03Z")
There is a startup delay configuration that you can reduce if you dont have many accounts ---
**Author:** ![Tonto\_Auri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tonto_auri/32/388339_2.png) [@Tonto\_Auri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tonto_Auri)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/202 "2024-05-27T18:47:46Z")
Depending on the number of accounts and your available RAM, you can tweak startup delay back and forth. I find 20s to be good enough to avoid stampeding on the disk IO and having a smoother launching experience. ---
**Author:** ![Elysianne\_Uhkretor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elysianne_uhkretor/32/410284_2.png) [@Elysianne\_Uhkretor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elysianne_Uhkretor)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/203 "2024-06-13T19:38:12Z")
Sorry, I don’t really keep my eyes in the forum. > [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > No steam, no winetricks, no lutris, no bottles? Just a straight up Debian intstall running the setup.exe ? Yeah, pretty much. Considering that the wine profile is made and properly configured, yeah. Steam pretty much makes the wine profile setup for the user and calling it Proton, allowing the user to simply start the application without worrying, but then there are problems and when people can’t run a game in a Linux distro under those conditions, and they don’t have the basic technical aptitude to fix it, then Proton ends up being more of a hindrance than an actual help. So, I make my own profiles. Debian 12, wine-9.0-staging-tkg, dxvk, vkd3d x32 (because the launcher isn’t x64) so that wine-9.0 can start up its Dx12 libraries and the Launcher will run… That way, I can update my wine profile, and any of its components, at any time without waiting for Proton profiles to be updated in their database… The game itself, however, I don’t have it running in Dx12. “If it isn’t broken, use it” so I’m still running it in Dx11. Dx12, apparently, is still an exclusive requirement for the Launcher… I mean, no better way to lock out the people with non-Dx12 compliant PCs than to make it a requirement for the game’s first access checkpoint (the Launcher)… … Now, the only thing they need to do is to stop forcing Vanguard down our throats. Its quite literally the only thing they need to do… Unless they are adding it as part of Eve Online instead of a separate client which, honestly, makes more sense to me and I can totally understand why Vanguard content is forcibly installed. → Edit June 15th: After further testing with a fresh profile, **msdelta winetrick is a useless installation**. The prefix works flawlessly without it. ← ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2024, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/old-launcher-deprecated-from-7-february-2024/438653/204 "2024-09-11T19:38:36Z")
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