# On the Reality of Mining Permits **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 30, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089 "2024-08-30T17:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/21 "2024-08-31T01:17:54Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > This thread is a Frostpacker Free zone - no Frostposting allowed. **Check your nest, you’re losing your eggs!** ---
**Author:** ![Mikki\_Disco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mikki_disco/32/374218_2.png) [@Mikki\_Disco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mikki_Disco)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/22 "2024-08-31T01:41:49Z")
Settle Down Sargon. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/23 "2024-08-31T05:35:06Z")
Seeing his response to your proclamation it appears you’ll have to enforce your rules on the Frostpacker by force, failing to do so will just encourage him to go even further and prove you are powerless to stop him and free minded people like him who are unwilling to pay for a permit. 👀 🤔 🍿 Edit: And he’s also teasing you in other threads too… > [@Reply with a famous quote](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/reply-with-a-famous-quote/14661/426): > > Elephants follow the same paths and even hand down genetic memories of directions and grazing grounds across generations. “Elephants Never Forget “ 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/24 "2024-08-31T05:58:41Z")
He enjoys force. Silent treatment is the medicine he gets. Only isk can end the silence. ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/25 "2024-08-31T05:58:46Z")
She started this and the weekend is about to arrive. Watch out! /Edit, notice how I know the second she makes a comment that Frosty is interested in! // > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > simple matter to expose the foolish The foolish pilot is one who sends isk to purchase a mining permit! ///Note @Uriel_the_Flame if you ping me again to her thread I wil not reply. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/26 "2024-08-31T06:11:24Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > > > simple matter to expose the foolish > > The foolish pilot is one who sends isk to purchase a mining permit! Maybe this warrants its own C&P court session. 😉 > [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > ///Note @Uriel_the_Flame if you ping me again to her thread I wil not reply. Okay @Felix_Frostpacker 😉 😊 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/27 "2024-08-31T06:47:32Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Is it dumb to decline to buy a Mining Permit? No. There are plenty of groups in null willing to extort people for ISK for much better ores. With the new sov system, they can even dial up an order for which ore they want… ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/28 "2024-08-31T07:07:15Z")
> [@Eloken\_Toralen](#): > > With the new sov system Are you positive about this? Wait and see what happens in November! ---
**Author:** ![Eloken\_Toralen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eloken_toralen/32/401714_2.png) [@Eloken\_Toralen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eloken_Toralen)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/29 "2024-08-31T07:24:55Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > Are you positive about this? Yeah, they’re in the patch notes. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/30 "2024-08-31T11:52:39Z")
An interesting question. In this moment of our shared reality, the world is engulfed in man-made systems. Nations, borders, laws and regulations - these are all declarations that we have imposed upon the world. When we employ the necessary strength to enforce them, they become real. When we consent to the declarations, they become real. The mining permit ingame is just as much a man-made declaration like all the other ones before. The reality of the permit is measured in the ability to convince others or to enforce it. It is a topic with far reaching consequences that have been relevant throughout our entire history, is still relevant today and will always be relevant in our future. Entire kingdoms have warred over and fallen apart over this question of legitimacy. In that sense, again, the mining permit is no less real an object than any other items I have brought up earlier. Without anything, it is just a piece of text. An abstract idea, like the lore descriptions of items, ships and et cetera. It is only through enforcing it, or convincing of, that it becomes a tangible reality for you in the EVE online universe. That would be my thoughts on this topic. With original regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/31 "2024-08-31T14:43:08Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > In this moment of our shared reality, the world is engulfed in man-made systems. Nations, borders, laws and regulations - these are all declarations that we have imposed upon the world. > When we employ the necessary strength to enforce them, they become real. > When we consent to the declarations, they become real. I see a Hobbesian justification for ye olde minning permite. ---
**Author:** ![Alyx\_Meyers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alyx_meyers/32/440532_2.png) [@Alyx\_Meyers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alyx_Meyers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/32 "2024-08-31T15:19:13Z")
Since they can be sold then Mining Permits are real. You can’t sell nothing, for it will assume value the moment someone would be buying it. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/33 "2024-08-31T20:30:45Z")
How much is an opal claim in Australia? Schedule 1—Fees | Application for the issue or renewal of a precious stones prospecting permit | $85.00 | | --- | --- | | (a) **a small precious stones claim** | **$50.00** | | (b) a large precious stones claim | $100.00 | | (c) an extra large precious stones claim | $150.00 | | (d) an opal development lease | $120.00 | ---
**Author:** ![Felix\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/felix_frostpacker/32/420339_2.png) [@Felix\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Felix_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/34 "2024-08-31T21:19:44Z")
EVE Online Terms Of Service #9 - Solicitation …. > the act of asking for or trying to obtain something from someone. > > “he was a regular target for solicitation of funds” > ⛏🤬🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Salartarium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salartarium/32/468818_2.png) [@Salartarium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salartarium)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/35 "2024-08-31T22:45:15Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > Solicitation But what’s the difference between Solicitation and marrying someone who will PLEX your account? ---
**Author:** ![Blenden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blenden/32/498978_2.png) [@Blenden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blenden)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/36 "2024-09-01T00:01:14Z")
As real as ghosts … 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/37 "2024-09-01T02:24:11Z")
I never paid as I could never trust it. But for one fleeting moment, I would have if I could. Try and kill me was more my motto. Having alt’s does have its advantages! 🤪 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/38 "2024-09-01T02:39:33Z")
It’s never too late… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/39 "2024-09-01T02:41:15Z")
Try and catch me! 🤩 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/40 "2024-09-01T02:45:25Z")
You know I used to have a lot of fun running my ships up and down the old pipe just to watch you all trail behind me! Hugs and kisses sister! 😍 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089.md?page=3)