# On the Reality of Mining Permits **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 30, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089 "2024-08-30T17:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/650 "2024-10-23T10:34:55Z")
I never ask, just offer a business proposal in exchange for ISK or give the opportunity to prove yourself beyond empty word(salads) by putting your ISK where your mouth is. Besides it is happening openly so she and anyone else can see it so hardly behind her back. 😉 But anyway are the rumors true, are you broke now? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/651 "2024-10-23T10:41:01Z")
Summoned a CSM, now trying to summon the Princess herself? ![not happy 5](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/2/6/b26aa51d3ea395389206e97499ccc79ef638167e.jpeg) Learn your place Frostpacker. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/652 "2024-10-23T10:45:32Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > place Especially as he no longer possesses the means to summon her. 🧐 😈 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/653 "2024-10-23T12:22:57Z")
I have it all figured out. Until recently the Frostpacker was handing out ISK to Aiko on a daily basis in 1 bil chunks. Also claimed he is a trillionaire. Yet that stopped. It appears as the CSM elections came he became more conservative with his ISK donations to Aiko than Scrooge McDuck spending money from his vault. A coincidence? I think not. In this very thread he recently cited his candidate of choice, though unintentionally, but it is clear to connect the dots. All this is reinforced by the fact PLEX prices skyrocketed which he also mentioned in another thread. Just as every other detail mentioned here he mentioned in at least one of his posts. ![theFrostpiracyFact](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/e/6/3e628a6ae34f31a88a5d279e87f43e5d649de119.jpeg) There is only one logical conclusion: `The Frostpacker spent all his wealth to create an army of alts and PLEX them to go omega not long ago but still soon enough to quality for CSM voting, and did so to vote for Mike.` 👀 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/654 "2024-10-23T12:44:12Z")
I think we all know the reality of mining permits now. The gankers have all repeatedly stated that you have to pay them a billion or more ISK to feel fear. Aiko also said, “You are literally paying me to hunt you.” See, the mining permits are a trap. If you don’t pay, they won’t hunt you. If you don’t pay, you don’t have to be afraid. These are their words. It’s a smuggler’s life for me. > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > > [@Glenduil](#): > > > > Where is the fear? > > Pay her and learn the hard way. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I will hunt anyone who pays me 1 billion isk. > > For 5 billion isk you can feel the fear. See? Do not buy mining permits. To quote Spock: “Since it is logical to assume you are going to kill us anyway, I choose not to cooperate.” ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/655 "2024-10-23T15:50:20Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > I can say simply suggest that CSM members should engage in all areas of the forums. Probably…but I’m not sure the forums really are representative of general sentiment in Eve. But at least they’d hear about issues and concerns they’d probably never hear about any other way. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/656 "2024-10-23T16:02:12Z")
Nobody on the CSM speaks for ALL of the CSM, we are 10 individuals (we started out as 12 but there have been losses). So the CSM does not say anything about a cut-rate extortion scheme running in hisec. If those people want to be the panto villians of Eve well more power to them. If they push it too far then it will not be the CSMs opinion they will need to worry about. m ---
**Author:** ![Kaely\_Tanniss](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaely_tanniss/32/474209_2.png) [@Kaely\_Tanniss](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaely_Tanniss)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/657 "2024-10-23T16:25:57Z")
> [@Felix\_Frostpacker](#): > > I don’t want your fans or anyone being offended by this. > > We don’t care about other miners. Someone’s got a mean streak… 😝 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/658 "2024-10-23T19:19:44Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Frostpacker spent all his wealth to create an army of alts Sounds a bit like the American presidential elections wherby the dead got out of their graves to vote for their man, and it wasn’t even halloween. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/f/a/7fa2a81c5644b0c7aa4369f4d00b04551367cf85.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/659 "2024-10-23T19:35:04Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > the dead got out of their graves A true sign of the End Times. 😉 👀 ---
**Author:** ![Spring\_Sky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spring_sky/32/447439_2.png) [@Spring\_Sky](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spring_Sky)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/660 "2024-10-23T19:45:50Z")
I dunno I myself personally enjoy having actual space pirates and people engaging in role play in an MMO. It just feels right. Without it, and thinking you got to watch your back would make the three minute ticks between ice bricks boring, gas harvesting and mining equally boring. If your willing to shoot through Safety space with billions without scouting during the harvest welp you got what you deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/661 "2024-10-23T19:50:15Z")
Not fond of zombies myself, they have poor hygiene. I wonder about the frostpackers though, Felix in particular is beginning to look a bit goulish, collects corpses and has a acquired a weird fetish of buying toes. He also has a form of tourette’s syndrome whereby he will just randomly spout something like AIKOENORMOUS. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/662 "2024-10-23T20:00:25Z")
> [@Spring\_Sky](#): > > I dunno I myself personally enjoy having actual space pirates and people engaging in role play For them it is something like this: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/6/7/767e7b29e3aac8f2923f67afc6e7d6485eac2ba3.jpeg) You are chilling watching paint dry, without a **mining licence** , your brain vegitating , and then ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/6/b/16b82f792c0e5b5985b5cdbdfa4ff8a179414ac2.gif) you get ganked. ---
**Author:** ![Fano\_Alabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fano_alabel/32/399859_2.png) [@Fano\_Alabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fano_Alabel)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/663 "2024-10-23T20:04:10Z")
I Think it’s ime to close this thread ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/664 "2024-10-23T20:04:50Z")
Not your thread, it is upto Aiko when it closes. ---
**Author:** ![Spring\_Sky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spring_sky/32/447439_2.png) [@Spring\_Sky](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spring_Sky)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/665 "2024-10-23T20:05:43Z")
Right. But this is what gets me, every time. They come back to the same spot, use the same optimized mining build forgo tank then lazy-ore the same rock and go back to netflix while there are five pilots on red in local. ??? Explain this to me! ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/666 "2024-10-23T20:07:27Z")
Prey do alot of dumb things. It is only the predators that evolved to become smart. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/667 "2024-10-23T20:13:33Z")
Maybe Aiko is willing to close it if he pays 1 bil ISK. 😏 😈 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/668 "2024-10-23T20:22:56Z")
Unlikely he would pay as miners are like super mean. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/669 "2024-10-23T21:28:25Z")
> [@Spring\_Sky](#): > > Explain this to me! Max Yield says: Highsec is supposed to be safe Which means it’s CCP’s job to keep me safe. So, if I get dunked, CCP screwed up and they owe me a ship (plus fittings, ore, Omega time, Plex, etc.) The aggressor is a _bad person_ who should be _cancelled_. Sadly, this seems to be the thought process favoured by Max and his ilk. It doesn’t take much to spot the variations of this cringeworthy evasion of personal agency; They’re all over the Forum. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089.md?page=32) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089.md?page=34)