# On the Reality of Mining Permits **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 30, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089 "2024-08-30T17:57:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/792 "2025-04-15T14:38:52Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > troll > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > scam This words are music to my ears. Scammers are the most hated entity in New Eden not the Gankers.. My dream is to create the greatest Scam or Heist in Eve history. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/793 "2025-04-15T14:53:08Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > my ships are bigger Sure they are. Keep telling yourself that sweetie. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/794 "2025-04-15T15:08:55Z")
You talk a big game, but even your mistress passed up the chance to take down my ship. You all had your chance. Like I said, too much machine. And why would I ever buy a mining permit? After all, the one I made myself with my own signature on it was free and never expires. You all have faded away. Lost too many members. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/795 "2025-04-16T03:21:03Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Yes! I hope she continues to protect us all from the dangerous barges, haulers and Ventures! Those are some scary ships! Nothing plagues my dreams like ships that have no offense! You _do_ realise a…‘puny undefended’… battle Venture can take out a mining barge ? > **[Retriever | volkiceper | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/126307243/)** > > volkiceper (YT Kolsuzlar Birligi) lost their Retriever in Onatoh (The Citadel). Final Blow by DiamondDog (T H E . K R A K E N) flying solo in a Venture. Total Value: 92,985,209.26 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/796 "2025-04-16T03:26:49Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > You talk a big game, but even your mistress passed up the chance to take down my ship. You all had your chance. Like I said, too much machine. And why would I ever buy a mining permit? After all, the one I made myself with my own signature on it was free and never expires. > > You all have faded away. Lost too many members. I wouldn’t be too cocky. I’ve seen cases of gankers mustering a fleet of 40 Talos, each one capable of 2000 DPS. And I don’t believe even your mega EHP whatever could survive 80,000 hit points a second. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/797 "2025-04-16T11:13:41Z")
It was a Venture and a Cruiser that blew up that Retriever. I fail to see how that means that a Venture can take out a mining barge. The cruiser is capable of taking out the drones and preventing the mining barge from escaping while the Venture gets to pretend to help. So yes- a puny undefended Venture is puny. No mining barge or Exhumer would ever lose to a solo Venture unless it simply wanted to. Oh wait… was I not supposed to actually click that link and read about the fight? I’m sorry! Let me try again… “Umm… yes! Ventures are all powerful!” ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/798 "2025-04-16T11:18:52Z")
Yeah, I’ve seen those videos too, but coordinating that many people and getting that many people to log on with the goal of destroying a mining barge that’s 40 jumps away is not an easy feat anymore. You can’t just summon that many ships. You have to get the players behind those ships to want to log on and join you. Those days are few and far between. Don’t you get it? The old days of Eve are gone. Absolute Will gets it done, because their goals are to destroy structures and defend against PvP. Those are stronger motivators. “Oh! I see a Skiff! Let’s get 30 players to log on for a 40 jump run on it!” That’s not a strong motivator. Can it happen? Sure. Are the odds good? Not even close. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/799 "2025-04-16T13:24:00Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > It was a Venture and a Cruiser that blew up that Retriever. I fail to see how that means that a Venture can take out a mining barge. The cruiser is capable of taking out the drones and preventing the mining barge from escaping while the Venture gets to pretend to help. Um…in case you hadn’t noticed, the Venture did 95% of the damage. The ‘cruiser’ was simply a Guristas NPC. I merely presented one example of many. You can find _numerous_ solo kills by Ventures every single day on killboard. Some people even deliberately use a ‘poor, defenceless, Venture’ as bait. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/800 "2025-04-16T13:28:02Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > > [@Glenduil](#): > > > > It was a Venture and a Cruiser that blew up that Retriever. I fail to see how that means that a Venture can take out a mining barge. The cruiser is capable of taking out the drones and preventing the mining barge from escaping while the Venture gets to pretend to help. > > The ‘cruiser’ was simply a Guristas NPC. 🍿 🤭 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/801 "2025-04-16T13:33:22Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Absolute Will gets it done, because their goals are to destroy structures and defend against PvP. Those are stronger motivators. “Oh! I see a Skiff! Let’s get 30 players to log on for a 40 jump run on it!” That’s not a strong motivator. It’s not 40 jumps if they go via lowsec. And when I used to mine in Azerakish, which is about as far away from AO HQ in Oipo in highsec as it gets, I’d still see Safety passing through now and then. Ironically there are often more people in the ganker channel than there are in the AO Intel channel. There’s a lot more gankers out there than you think. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/802 "2025-04-16T13:59:42Z")
Why Did you explain.. lol. 😅. you ruined the fun… 😁.. ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/803 "2025-04-16T14:02:36Z")
Please share the popcorn.. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/804 "2025-04-16T14:04:24Z")
I’ll believe it when I see a venture solo on a mining barge that isn’t afk. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/805 "2025-04-16T14:12:07Z")
> [@Lydra\_Victor](#): > > Why Did you explain.. lol. Don’t worry. He’ll still ignore reality even after having it explained 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/806 "2025-04-16T14:20:43Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Umm… yes! Ventures are all powerful! Very good Perhaphs you are ready for your leash [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/e/a/4ea277b9aa489abe0c173bc423857b0a497ab236.gif) ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/e/a/4ea277b9aa489abe0c173bc423857b0a497ab236.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2025, 4:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/807 "2025-04-16T16:08:54Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > He’ll still ignore reality Can not have high expectations of someone who can’t even tell the difference between an NPC and a player on a killmail… however as he is a miner the line is kinda blurry for his kind so maybe you can’t blame him too much. 🤔 😉 😏 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2025, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/808 "2025-04-20T20:16:13Z")
I’m loving the ‘Cruiser’ on the Barge killmail 🤭 Barge Pvp is bloody awesome as well > **[Vedmak | Thomas Chow | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/120247765/)** > > Thomas Chow (Spoopy Newbies) lost their Vedmak in Vey (Placid). Final Blow by Sexy in Red (Ducklings) flying solo in a Procurer. Total Value: 143,867,663.93 ISK > **[Brutix | Gun Click | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/124704542/)** > > Gun Click (Center for Advanced Studies) lost their Brutix in T22-QI (Syndicate). Final Blow by Sexy in Black (Ducklings) flying in a Procurer. Total Value: 100,245,136.96 ISK > [@Glenduil](#): > > I’ll believe it when I see a venture solo on a mining barge that isn’t afk. Looks like it got Defanged to me or the idiot was using mining drones ---
**Author:** ![Lydra\_Victor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lydra_victor/32/456813_2.png) [@Lydra\_Victor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lydra_Victor)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 5:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/809 "2025-04-21T05:40:21Z")
Nice kill on the Vedmak. 🙂. I guess those barges aren’t fitted for mining rocks. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Nephilius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sir_nephilius/32/448890_2.png) [@Sir\_Nephilius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sir_Nephilius)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/810 "2025-04-21T14:31:41Z")
I seriously wish the fits of the ships doing the killing were included as well, I’d love to see this one. ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2025, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089/811 "2025-04-21T15:13:18Z")
Not sure if you mean the Barge or the Venture but here (Sexy in Red is my Alt) > **[Procurer | Sexy in Red | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/125694045/)** > > Sexy in Red (Ducklings) lost their Procurer in Krirald (Pochven). Final Blow by Bullet071 (Bloody Entertainment) flying in a Vexor Navy Issue. Total Value: 118,000,276.10 ISK Quick look at DiamindDog’s losses show me this > **[Venture | DiamondDog | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/115320021/)** > > DiamondDog (T H E . K R A K E N) lost their Venture in Eranakko (The Citadel). Final Blow by OopsMyGfGaveMeCOVID (Peace.Keepers) flying in a Nemesis. Total Value: 18,134,550.11 ISK [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089.md?page=39) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reality-of-mining-permits/460089.md?page=41)