# On the Reclamation of Floseswin **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205 "2020-03-01T21:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/181 "2020-04-09T00:00:15Z")
> [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > A discussion implies equal parties, but the posture you’ve adopted with respect to the Knight-Preceptor is more akin to an interrogation. It’s hardly _my_ fault I’m the only one asking questions. He’s certainly free to. > [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > the spurious claim that he was the Empire’s leader is the smallest problem with your assessment. The Court Chamberlain has only ever answered to the Throne. That it was vacant left the Theology Council, and even the Royal Heirs, significant uncertainty concerning protocol. Yes, and once the Throne was vacant, the Chamberlain _kept_ it so. > [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > You persistently place the onus on Knight-Preceptor Fereyd to justify his faith and explain to you how he would know God’s will. It cannot be explained. We allow ourselves to be guided by the Rite, and where judgement is necessary, look to the elevation of those in our service, fidelity to those we are in service to, and pray to God for the wisdom to find the proper path. That sounds to me like you’re trying to explain what you claim can’t be explained. If you can explain it, why should he be unable to? Really now, you clearly have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on here, so why not just try to follow the discussion, rather than shut it down? ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/182 "2020-04-09T04:16:30Z")
With all due respect and humility, I would find it presumptuous to attribute motive to Arrendis’ line of questioning on my part. So far all that has occurred has been the asking of questions, to which I have endeavoured to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 4:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/183 "2020-04-09T04:52:31Z")
Ok, so you wouldn’t presume to know the mysteries of the Throne. But—according to Captain Yassavi—God sent Tetrimon to purge the Throne. So God, apparently, wanted the Throne _opposed_. Was everyone else supposed to attack St. Tetrimon? Is that, _as you understand it_, what God wanted the common people to do? Is that what the Theology Council says God wanted the masses to do? ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/184 "2020-04-09T05:03:59Z")
As I understand it, Saint Tetrimon was sent to act on his own volition inspired by God to prevent the need for the common citizen to either endure or revolt due to the madness of the Emperor Without Name. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/185 "2020-04-09T12:34:05Z")
There are a considerable number of factors Arrendis leaves out of the retelling of St. Tetrimon’s martyrdom, including his social standing prior to his divine act. The full story would be helpful in informing her of how disputes in an Amarr hierarchy are handled. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/186 "2020-04-09T13:00:55Z")
Notable also were the patience with which he approached his task, and the sacrifices he made in the years leading up to his martyrdom. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/187 "2020-04-09T13:10:02Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > There are a considerable number of factors Arrendis leaves out of the retelling of St. Tetrimon’s martyrdom, including his social standing prior to his divine act. > > The full story would be helpful in informing her of how disputes in an Amarr hierarchy are handled. Just as the Mad Emperor was from House Ardishapur so too was Saint Tetrimon from the Ardishapur Family. If the Mad Emperor corrupted divine mandate then it fell to his own family to rectify the matter. I think this is the difficulty outsiders find with the Empire. A cynical or jaded view of human behaviour would see corruption and complicity in that corruption as a given, however the unbeliever forgets just how much faith and belief regulates behaviour among those in power in the Empire. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/188 "2020-04-09T13:29:37Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > There are a considerable number of factors Arrendis leaves out of the retelling of St. Tetrimon’s martyrdom, including his social standing prior to his divine act. Which is part of why one has a discussion, isn’t it? I mean, I’m sure you know by heart all of the obscure and irrelevant lore of my Clan and can repeat the stories for hours, right? 😉 So please, illuminate me with a complete retelling. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/189 "2020-04-09T19:38:09Z")
This whole discussion is off base. The Heretic that St. Tetrimon killed was a would-be usurper and never the legitimate Emperor. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/190 "2020-04-09T19:46:44Z")
Go on… obviously, I don’t know any of this. Thus, my request for a full retelling. ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/191 "2020-04-09T20:03:31Z")
The Emperor at the time of the conquest of the Ealur was Emperor Arrach, of the house of Sarum, not the Heretic. I am sure you have repeatedly heard his oft quoted message to the Ealur from CE 21423 (“Run and you shall be crushed. Stand and you shall fall. Kneel and you shall be saved”), which is of course right in the middle of the period that heretical revisionist historians say that the so called “Mad Emperor” reigned. During the Emperor Arrach’s reign, the Heretic claimed to be the rightfully elected Emperor. He rallied his supporters at his deep space base in Shastal. Before the rightful Emperor turned his military attention to this rebellion, St. Tetrimon assassinated him, ending the affair with minimal bloodshed. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/192 "2020-04-09T20:15:31Z")
Good to know I was in error regarding this “Mad Emperor” and he was only an usurper that required no punishment by God of the Holy Throne. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/193 "2020-04-09T20:28:50Z")
No, he certainly needed punishment delivered upon him, St Tetrimon was the instrument of that requirement. It is simply that he was not an Emperor that I believe you erred upon. An unfortunate effect likely of the amount of revisionist propaganda and heresay that is tossed around. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/194 "2020-04-09T20:30:50Z")
I’m a soldier, not a Hedion scholar! This is why institutions like the Theology Council are so vital: to ensure that learned and wise men and women can rectify mistakes for the laity! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/195 "2020-04-10T05:02:58Z")
This seems like a highly abbreviated retelling. Kind of like ‘So, yeah, seven years ago, we wanted more moons, so Mittens attacked Fountain, and that’s the story of the Battle of 6VDT.’ ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/196 "2020-04-10T05:47:12Z")
The death of a failed usurper several thousand years ago is not worth more time than that. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/197 "2020-04-10T06:38:43Z")
I guess the concepts of _thinking for yourself_ and _holding your leaders accountable_ aren’t really a thing in the empire, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 6:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/198 "2020-04-10T06:46:40Z")
I am able to think for myself, I just moderate my thoughts through my faith in God. As for holding my leaders to account, that is just not my place but rather other institutions such as the Theology Council, MIO, or the Speakers of Truth. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/199 "2020-04-10T13:19:23Z")
But the life and divine calling of the Saint who put an end to him should be, no? ---
**Author:** ![Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaven_lok_ri/32/293159_2.png) [@Gaven\_Lok\_ri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaven_Lok_ri)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2020, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/200 "2020-04-11T06:15:54Z")
He martyred himself to kill a heretic and saved countless lives by doing so. You could commission a research project into the rest of his life if you really wanted to, but the moment of sanctity is in that moment of inspiration in which he decided to kill the Heretic at the cost of his own life. And we can only judge that moment of inspiration by the results. It is not like he had time to write down his autobiography between killing the heretic and being gunned down himself. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205.md?page=11)