# On the Reclamation of Floseswin **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205 "2020-03-01T21:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/282 "2020-04-18T01:52:03Z")
Kor-Azor was gelded _beforehand_ as a result of Artico’s actions. And any benefits gained from the reorganization were decidedly inferior to the gains made by Khanid. Taken as a purely zero-sum balance among the Houses, the ‘winner’ was _painfully_ obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/283 "2020-04-18T04:20:11Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > If murdering people because it’s more convenient than using non-lethal means to subdue a population isn’t immoral, maybe that points to a flaw in your morality. There is nothing immoral in killing an apostate, which a slave remains until they are manumitted by the grace and mercy of a Holder. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/284 "2020-04-18T04:26:08Z")
> [@Zakir\_Fereyd](#): > > There is nothing immoral in killing an apostate, which a slave remains until they are manumitted by the grace and mercy of a Holder. > [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Zakir\_Fereyd](#): > > > > The life of a slave is not commensurate with that of a freeman until they accept the Rite and are entered in the Book of Records. > > To my knowledge, neither that acceptance nor entry require _or_ bestow emancipation. So then there are _apostates_ entered in the Book of Records? I think you should maybe go and find yourself some clergy to doublecheck your orthodoxy. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/285 "2020-04-18T04:39:26Z")
I will admit then, that attacking slaves of the Faith in Kahah would be an egregious action undertaken by the Kingdom. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/286 "2020-04-18T07:04:38Z")
Well, let’s hope you haven’t just gotten your homeworld attacked with Deathglow. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/287 "2020-04-18T08:23:39Z")
I have my own prejudices towards the Kingdom that neither Kahah or a Deathglow attack are likely to change. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/288 "2020-04-18T09:20:29Z")
How malleable your prejudices are has no bearing on the decision… only how malleable your liege’s spine might be. So far, they’ve all bent pretty quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 9:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/289 "2020-04-18T09:46:44Z")
What will be, will be. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/290 "2020-06-27T17:43:59Z")
Three times. Three times the Tribal Liberation Force has thought us defeated. Three times the 24th Imperial Crusade has come back, stronger than before. As I said three months ago: > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > I will continue to fight to the best of my abilities until it is unnecessary to do so. This I swear. I will not expect anything less from either my comrades or my enemies. > > Spread the flames or stop them. My choice is made. Makes yours soon. We give this gift of a third reprieve for the expedition upon Floseswin IV the to the Lord of my Lady, Arrach Sarum. I pray he will use it well to secure the safety and prosperity of the Empire, and prove Amarr’s resolve in battle. We give the burden of a war that promises to drag on indefinitely to the Minmatar people. I pray they will meditate well upon the price they are willing to pay for expanding such a war to the Empire in the weeks leading up to their vaunted Liberation Day. Perhaps now, with the threat of the Triglavians now looming over all of New Eden, certain parties shall see reason. Time will tell. But now and as before, we fight. Amarr Victor Lord Aldrith Shutaq Newelle Lord Consort to Lady Mitara Newelle Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Paladin Ordinary and Navarch of the Excubitoris Chapter of the Sacred Throne Order Thrice Victor of the War of Floseswin ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/291 "2020-06-27T18:43:31Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Thrice Victor of the War of Floseswin Doesn’t that also mean you’re thrice the _loser_ of that ‘war’, since the Empire held it when Sarum first had his hissy fit? ---
**Author:** ![Harkon\_Thorson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harkon_thorson/32/320172_2.png) [@Harkon\_Thorson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harkon_Thorson)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/292 "2020-06-27T18:46:09Z")
“Thrice Victor of the War of Floseswin” I guess you will leave out the part where you lost it 3 times and held it for little over 20 days in the last 6 months. Oh and the fact that the war is far from over. But sure Mr. Trice Victor Slaver… We knew we couldn´t hold the system forever in the face of the pendulum of war swinging hard in the slavers favor so your assetment of our thoughts is faulty as it tends to be when you slavers try to understand us. Enjoy your small victory slaver while you can and sell it as a gift to your so called lord. I would be suprised if he would agree with this classification after the slaver forces failed to execute his will for so long but that is your problem not mine. Any hopes of the Matari laying down their weapons and surrendering just one of our ppl out of fear for a larger war are borderline insane. We will continue to fight and I will personally ensure that the slavers on the planets which are still under our control will get atleast a glimse of what our ppl on Floseswin IV are enduring. Matari Invictus In honest and deep contempt Chief Harkon Thorson Slaver-Slaughterer Tripple-Floseswin-Liberator Visitor of Churches Amateur Freedom Fighter ---
**Author:** ![Vlad\_Cetes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vlad_cetes/32/391891_2.png) [@Vlad\_Cetes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vlad_Cetes)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/293 "2020-06-27T19:01:48Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > Three times. > > Three times the Tribal Liberation Force has thought us defeated. > > Three times the 24th Imperial Crusade has come back, stronger than before. So does that make you the Thrice Illustrious Sovereign of Floseswin? _chuckling is seen_ Good luck living up to that! ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/294 "2020-06-27T20:34:40Z")
What is it called then, Re-Re-Re-Clamation? What is the name for the Final-Clamation? ---
**Author:** ![Pol\_Macsliebh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pol_macsliebh/32/376245_2.png) [@Pol\_Macsliebh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pol_Macsliebh)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/295 "2020-06-27T20:49:56Z")
Everytime this system flips some Holy Holy Holy fool shouts and gives them self a title, your troops on the surface have lost, get them off the planet and stock your ships… this will never end! Your hands are Bloody with innocent lives get down on the dirty ground with the rest of us where you belong! Pol Thukker ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Saltz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kyle_saltz/32/438636_2.png) [@Kyle\_Saltz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kyle_Saltz)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/296 "2020-06-28T02:48:57Z")
Greetings, I would agree the war has raged back and forth for some time. We have seen great battles and thousands of ships lost on both sides. While the battle on the planet raged in space it has been no less fierce. While yes the tide of battle now favors us, I must admit the Amarr Militia is not the militia of a year ago. We have seen unprecedented amount of unity and coming together as a unified force. Just for that I must say. Amarr Victor. This last week alone Floseswin has witnessed the destruction of 3 Astrahaus’ and a Athanor from the forces of the Minmatar Militia and allies. Not only has the Militia forces taken the system but has also purged Matari safe havens inside the system. For that I must say. Amarr Victor. As a simple person watching and cheering from the side lines I can not help but be proud of the 24th Imperial Crusade in this task. It has been a long road for both parties and the struggles have been intense. I bow in honor to both sides in their tenacity. I will continue to aid in what paltry fashion I can. Amarr Victor Paladin Warden Kyle Saltz ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 6:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/297 "2020-06-28T06:49:04Z")
> [@Kyle\_Saltz](#): > > simple person watching and cheering from the side lines And completely ignorant of the overall strategic situation in the system if you think destruction of structures changes the facts about how long the Minmatar have held the system, compared, and how the ground war has progressed. You all speak like it’s _over_. Like you _won_. Do you have ears in some Inner Circle chamber I don’t? Because I haven’t heard any announcement made about “third time’s the charm” myself. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/298 "2020-06-28T07:24:23Z")
I do not believe anyone is under the delusion that this is over by any means. However, the Amarr strategic position is better than it has been since this conflict started. Unless the TLF launches a major counter-offensive, we promise to hold the system for the coming months. The situation on the ground has indeed been dire but no longer is it hopeless. This war is about wills and resources, and testing which side is willing and able to devote more. I believe you know the side that has more resources, and now the will is being proven as well. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/299 "2020-06-28T08:04:02Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > we promise to hold the system for the coming months One’d hope you were by now reluctant to make sweeping promises like this. Lie in the bed you make, Aldrith Shutaq Newelle. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/300 "2020-06-28T08:25:06Z")
I did put a caveat in. It is up to you make it a valid one. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2020, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/301 "2020-06-28T11:44:22Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > It is up to you make it a valid one. I am not TLF, I have never truly been, and I don’t intend to become. I’m pretty sure this has been clear from day one. Moreover, I don’t hold with the wars of attrition against a bigger opponent that are basically designed to weaken the Republic until a final blow can be struck. This has been clear for anyone with half a brain for about _a decade_ now. Again, lie in the bed you make, thrice-illustrious. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205.md?page=16)