# On the Reclamation of Floseswin **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 1, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205 "2020-03-01T21:16:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/141 "2020-04-07T21:29:44Z")
Because your role is to serve those above you, not to question and determine right and wrong for yourself, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/142 "2020-04-07T21:32:57Z")
The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin. Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder. Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life. The Mercy of our Emperor is Limitless. His Rule is Benign and Righteous. His Love is Perpetual. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/143 "2020-04-07T21:37:14Z")
I do enjoy watching Arrendis speak to walls. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/144 "2020-04-07T21:39:44Z")
That’s not an answer. Evasiveness indicates a lack of conviction, as though the respondent is afraid to allow themselves to even think of what their answer would truly be. If there’s no lack of faith, there’s no reason not to answer plainly, rather than hiding within scriptures we’ve all heard thousands of times before. > [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > I do enjoy watching Arrendis speak to walls. I got a billion ISK says I’m the more patient one. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/145 "2020-04-07T21:59:58Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > That’s not an answer. Evasiveness indicates a lack of conviction, as though the respondent is afraid to allow themselves to even think of what their answer would truly be. > > If there’s no lack of faith, there’s no reason not to answer plainly, rather than hiding within scriptures we’ve all heard thousands of times before. I felt it was succinct enough to convey my beliefs. However, if you want a plain answer, the Scriptures dictate what is right or wrong and their interpretations and revelation are decided by those above my station in life. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/146 "2020-04-07T22:01:29Z")
With how much time you give this medium, I do not doubt it. All of that said, service and commitment are valued in Amarr culture. Rendering oneself completely to one another, regardless of personal feelings at times, is admired amongst us. Loyalty, duty and honour have value to us. Dragging our feet when there is a task to do is not. The scriptural excerpt the Knight-Preceptor quoted should have answered your question in more ways that one. Yes, our role is to serve. Not just those above, but those below as well. Service to others is a pillar of the Rite. The right to question and make independent decisions is one that is earned, not taken for granted. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/147 "2020-04-07T22:10:28Z")
**Do** let the boy answer for himself, Aldrith. It’s bad enough you’re a meatpuppet, try not to be a puppetmaster, too. > [@Zakir\_Fereyd](#): > > However, if you want a plain answer, the Scriptures dictate what is right or wrong and their interpretations and revelation are decided by those above my station in life. So then, if, for example, you were to find out that those above you whose responsibility is to guide you had either lied, or completely failed in their duty and been categorically _wrong_ in the interpretations and revelations they handed down to you, would _you_ be culpable, or would _they_? ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/148 "2020-04-07T22:13:02Z")
You speak of faith in isolation, but true value is found in its works— and what are they worth if not in unity with the merit and wisdom of those who best served the Rite and Holy Amarr before us? Certainty is of God alone; as such change is natural. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/149 "2020-04-07T22:14:18Z")
Newp. But that’s a really nice try to figure out the direction of my thought. I mean, you completely failed, but I appreciate the attempt. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/150 "2020-04-07T22:26:40Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > **Do** let the boy answer for himself, Aldrith. It’s bad enough you’re a meatpuppet, try not to be a puppetmaster, too. And this is how I know you have no interest in understanding anything Amarr for any other reason besides learn how to undermine and destroy it. Enjoy the spoils of your war; I will enjoy mine. ---
**Author:** ![Saronu\_Yassavi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saronu_yassavi/32/386208_2.png) [@Saronu\_Yassavi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saronu_Yassavi)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/151 "2020-04-07T22:26:56Z")
Indeed, to have considered your queries regarding perceived fluidity of the Word to have been made in good faith was evidently a failure of judgement. Continue whatever it is you’re attempting. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/152 "2020-04-07T22:29:34Z")
> [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](#): > > And this is how I know you have no interest in understanding anything Amarr Or, you know, maybe I already know _your_ position on the matter, and I don’t want Mr. Voice Of Authority stifling the kid’s ability to provide his own perspective because he thinks he’ll get in trouble if he’s not 100% in line with you. > [@Saronu\_Yassavi](#): > > Indeed, to have considered your queries regarding perceived fluidity of the Word to have been made in good faith was evidently a failure of judgement. Or just completely missing my point, which will become clear in time and which is not at all in bad faith, unlike pretty much everything from your lips. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/153 "2020-04-07T22:43:32Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Or, you know, maybe I already know _your_ position on the matter, and I don’t want Mr. Voice Of Authority stifling the kid’s ability to provide his own perspective because he thinks he’ll get in trouble if he’s not 100% in line with you. I will not stifle anything because he is under no obligation to me. If he takes my opinion into consideration it would be as a courtesy, one which I pray I would have earned through our brief acquaintance. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/154 "2020-04-07T22:48:30Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > would _you_ be culpable, or would _they_ ? We would both be culpable, one for deception, one for following that deception. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/155 "2020-04-07T22:58:26Z")
So then if you are culpable, there must be a way for you to avoid falling into that trap—some mechanism for you to _not_ follow that deception. Can you describe what that is? ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/156 "2020-04-07T22:59:31Z")
Divine inspiration. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/157 "2020-04-07T23:20:53Z")
And how do you determine the difference between ‘divine inspiration’ and ‘my own discretion’? ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/158 "2020-04-07T23:24:33Z")
If you become a saint for it or not. ---
**Author:** ![Zakir\_Fereyd](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakir_fereyd/32/201906_2.png) [@Zakir\_Fereyd](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakir_Fereyd)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/159 "2020-04-07T23:35:09Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > And how do you determine the difference between ‘divine inspiration’ and ‘my own discretion’? I don’t. The scholars of the Theology Council would. ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205/160 "2020-04-07T23:36:33Z")
There isn’t one. As long as they are told they are doing “god’s work”, they don’t care what atrocities they commit. They are barbarians with a hivemind and big guns. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-the-reclamation-of-floseswin/223205.md?page=9)