# On Those With Inferior Blood **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** amarr\ **Created:** [July 8, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029 "2023-07-08T18:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/121 "2023-07-14T12:41:43Z")
Well-- she’s not 100% wrong about the Nonentity “caste” but of course it’s a little more complicated than not being considered human. More like, “no longer our concern.” Takes losing corporate citizenship, too, which is like losing your job but more-so. Really it seems like a case of knowing a little and thinking that’s all she needs. ---
**Author:** ![Srajin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srajin/32/378084_2.png) [@Srajin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srajin)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/122 "2023-07-14T14:30:30Z")
> [@Rynna\_Alcerys](#): > > You people keep on bringing up these breeding facilities. If it’s due to some kind of obsession, you should know that lust is sinful. Well that’s a deflection and projection if I’ve ever heard one. Amarrian Breeding facilities will CONTINUE to be brought up in protest until Amarr begins to dismantle them permanently. It’s not about lust, it’s about brutality justified by “religion”. Because clearly an existence where you’re strapped into a breeding table is a better life than being free back home. Note, this -is- sarcasm. > [@Rynna\_Alcerys](#): > > However, slavery has been a part of Amarr culture for a very long time. It’s known that, by serving the chosen people of God, you are proving your subservience to God himself. So would you Jamyl Sarum’s emancipation of 9th generation and up was an act of blasphemy? Oh wait, she was considered a heretic already anyway because she actually fought to undo centuries of conflict and misery. I’m sure the Holders were more than happy to see her death and sent “Reclaiming” groups of their own to retrieve their property. Note this is -not- sarcasm. Perhaps you should have a look at my off-topic discussion regarding balance within the universe. Centuries of Amarrian brutality and holy crusades fueling a negative feedback loop. Watch out for the pendulum as it swings back in your direction, because it stops for nothing. > [@Rynna\_Alcerys](#): > > From this alone, I can tell that this conversation will go nowhere; I cannot teach one who chooses not to learn. The same can be said from others that wish for you to understand as well. We choose to learn. But we choose WHAT we learn, and what we believe. Understand the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Cain\_Aloga](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cain_aloga/32/457080_2.png) [@Cain\_Aloga](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cain_Aloga)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/123 "2023-07-14T14:33:03Z")
> [@Rynna\_Alcerys](#): > > I have no ties to any cult, and would prefer such ridiculous accusations to be left unsaid. If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck… ---
**Author:** ![Srajin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srajin/32/378084_2.png) [@Srajin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srajin)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/124 "2023-07-14T14:34:36Z")
> [@Cain\_Aloga](#): > > If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck… Then obviously it’s a chicken in sheep’s clothing ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/125 "2023-07-14T14:54:19Z")
Amarrian Loyalists need to stop being like liberal abolitionists in their squeamishness regarding breeding facilities. The fact is, like many forms of livestock, the Minmatar do not _free-breed_ very efficiently, and a structured breeding environment is necessary to avoid many years of wasted fertility per each slave. A structured breeding program can also be used to reduce the Minmatar blood percentage by half each generation, which has various practical and theological advantages (although of course slave status is retained with even one drop of Minmatar blood). ---
**Author:** ![Zeri\_Shakiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeri_shakiel/32/448093_2.png) [@Zeri\_Shakiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeri_Shakiel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/127 "2023-07-14T15:56:07Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > As I’ve said many times over the years: I’d _love_ to believe in spiritual things, but nobody seems to be able to show one single shred of actual evidence that it’s real. I would love for you to believe in spiritual things too. There was once a time that there was not a single shred of actual evidence that the planet that our smartest people lived on was not flat. I do not think you will find actual scientific data to spoon feed you your salvation Arrendis, but you apparently do have the desire to believe, which is start. ---
**Author:** ![Srajin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/srajin/32/378084_2.png) [@Srajin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Srajin)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/128 "2023-07-14T16:00:09Z")
> [@Amicia\_Cora](#): > > I suppose it also doesn’t help that the tactic of cherry-picking negative elements of a diverse and wide-reaching culture, and then relentlessly using those handpicked elements as weapons with which to discredit the entirity of said culture is such a well-documented yet socially-toxic rhetorical weapon. Cherry-picking? Breeding Facilities are a sub-element of the PRIMARY NEGATIVE ELEMENT that defines the specific “Diverse and wide reaching culture” in question. SLAVERY > [@Nauplius](#): > > The fact is, like many forms of livestock, the Minmatar do not _free-breed_ very efficiently, and a structured breeding environment is necessary to avoid many years of wasted fertility per each slave This here. “Livestock” Should speak volumes to those willing to listen for the context of the word. Livestock =\> i.e. =\> cattle How would you like to become Livestock? How uplifting into God’s Arms do you think you’d feel strapped into a chair for the sole purpose of providing additional slaves. To birth a son and have him ripped from your arms never to be seen again. Or to birth a daughter and watch as she spends a lifetime suffering the same brutality? ---
**Author:** ![Ilyan\_Valtovist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ilyan_valtovist/32/461710_2.png) [@Ilyan\_Valtovist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ilyan_Valtovist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/129 "2023-07-14T16:32:11Z")
> [@Amicia\_Cora](#): > > anyone that spends more than a couple of months frequenting this venue ends up tuning out after the hundedth time seeing the same people bring up the same argument in the same fashion over and over. Wonder if the breeding slaves themselves ever get bored with their situation. ---
**Author:** ![Zeri\_Shakiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeri_shakiel/32/448093_2.png) [@Zeri\_Shakiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeri_Shakiel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/130 "2023-07-14T16:41:20Z")
> [@Ilyan\_Valtovist](#): > > Wonder if the breeding slaves themselves ever get bored with their situation. I wonder why you felt it a fine idea to share your curiosity with us today. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/131 "2023-07-14T17:12:30Z")
> [@Srajin](#): > > This here. “Livestock” Should speak volumes to those willing to listen for the context of the word. > > Livestock =\> i.e. =\> cattle > > How would you like to become Livestock? How uplifting into God’s Arms do you think you’d feel strapped into a chair for the sole purpose of providing additional slaves. To birth a son and have him ripped from your arms never to be seen again. Or to birth a daughter and watch as she spends a lifetime suffering the same brutality? So, pilot? A word about Mr. Nauplius, since you seem to be one of the many who addresses > [@Srajin](#): > > SLAVERY in allcaps, whether literally, rhetorically, or just mentally. The more experienced Matari partisans (usually, though not always, even Arrendis) don’t generally take Mr. Nauplius as a good example of Amarrian society. He’s … even relative to the OP of this thread, he’s kind of … special. The Amarr broadly consider him a heretic and he in turn has rejected the authority of the Imperial Throne, claiming there’s been no “true emperor” since Vak’Atioth and the Minmatar Rebellion (which he takes as a sort of unforgivable, all-encompassing sin meaning the damnation of all the Matari tribes). Basically he thinks writing the Pax Amarria disqualified Emperor Heideran VII (known as “The Peacemaker” for a reason) and all his successors and wants the Empire to go back to full-time conquest. (In spite of which interestingly he’s kind of embraced soft power?) Anyway he’s a bad example and not in good odor as far as the Empire is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/132 "2023-07-14T17:26:28Z")
> [@Zeri\_Shakiel](#): > > There was once a time that there was not a single shred of actual evidence that the planet that our smartest people lived on was not flat. Did you know that just by measuring the shadows at the same time in two different places only 100 meters apart, over the course of the day, using the most primitive techology available: ‘two sticks’, you can demonstrate planetary curvature? Maybe don’t try trotting out easily-debunked conventional wisdom. It’s usually anything but. ---
**Author:** ![Zeri\_Shakiel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeri_shakiel/32/448093_2.png) [@Zeri\_Shakiel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeri_Shakiel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/133 "2023-07-14T17:47:53Z")
I am not sure what you thought my point was in using that example. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/134 "2023-07-14T18:01:19Z")
There was always evidence that planets were not flat. The whole ‘people used to think the world is flat’ is nonsense invented by people who want to think they’re smarter than those who came before. ---
**Author:** ![Ilyan\_Valtovist](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ilyan_valtovist/32/461710_2.png) [@Ilyan\_Valtovist](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ilyan_Valtovist)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/135 "2023-07-14T18:14:52Z")
The post it’s replying to? In any case, think it over, seriously, and let’s discuss things again in 4-5 years. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/136 "2023-07-14T19:16:56Z")
> [@Rynna\_Alcerys](#): > > I will begin with the Caldari. Worshippers of money and trade, these are the types you’ll find in any corner of the cluster, trying to sell you something (or scam you) at every single turn. It should go without saying that nothing in this world is above God, especially not something as trivial as profit. But the Caldari don’t see it that way at all. Their entire society, from top to bottom, is ruled by money. In their feeble and simple minds, they could not even begin to comprehend something more important. There are few things sadder than watching an individual of the Caldari State dedicate their life to the pursuit of money, unknowing of the value that can be gained in the pursuit of God. I look forward to seeing how this changes over time, as the years pass, and you obtain knowledge of what lies beyond the surface you have scratched. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/137 "2023-07-14T21:21:17Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > (In spite of which interestingly he’s kind of embraced soft power?) The _Amarrian Orthodox Church, Sedevacantist_ does not object to the existing of soft power; rather, it objects to the non-existing of hard power. We would not care if someone was out there trying to peacefully convert the heathens, LUMEN-style, as long as that message was backed up by conquest, enslavement, and genocidal extermination if the heathens fail to convert. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/138 "2023-07-14T22:08:11Z")
Not true. You’ve repeatedly made clear you believe there is no point converting the Matari by any means, as we exist only to be destroyed. That’s an objection to soft-power Reclaiming. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/139 "2023-07-14T22:51:08Z")
It is true that the Minmatar exist to be destroyed, and God is glorified in their destruction, but for some that destruction will be deferred to Hell, the ultimate destination for all Minmatar. In the _Amarrian Orthodox Church, Sedevacantist_, we teach our Minmatar slaves to aspire to the second highest level of Hell, which is still pretty yucky but preferable to the lower levels of Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/140 "2023-07-14T23:37:35Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > In the _Amarrian Orthodox Church, Sedevacantist_, we teach our Minmatar slaves to aspire to the second highest level of Hell, which is still pretty yucky but preferable to the lower levels of Hell. Can confirm, he, at least, does teach them that. Which makes working with them after they’re back out of his hands _mighty_ interesting, especially since in some cases that teaching is reinforced with TCMCs. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/141 "2023-07-14T23:53:06Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > Can confirm, he, at least, does teach them that. Which makes working with them after they’re back out of his hands _mighty_ interesting, especially since in some cases that teaching is reinforced with TCMCs. The solution to this “problem” is “Don’t try to disabuse Nauplius’s ex-slaves of the notion that they are going to Hell and that they should aspire to the second highest level of Hell”, which is after all a correct and true belief. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029.md?page=8)