# On Those With Inferior Blood **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Tags:** amarr\ **Created:** [July 8, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029 "2023-07-08T18:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/142 "2023-07-15T00:12:49Z")
I mean, if you’re resorting to TCMCs, obviously you don’t actually have faith in your teachings. If you thought your ‘church’ had a line on real, compelling _truth_, you’d trust that truth to be effective and compelling on its own. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/143 "2023-07-15T00:33:59Z")
The Minmatar people are stubborn, stupid, and spiritually bereft. They therefore sometimes need TCMCs in order to accept the truth that actual humans would accept without TCMCs. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/144 "2023-07-15T02:26:41Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > which is after all a correct and true belief. That you made up. I still don’t understand why you haven’t claimed the Throne. You’re obviously the one your God has chosen to lead your people. He’s even given you insight into his Hell, and the levels there of, and the foresight to teach the Minmatar to aspire for the second level. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 3:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/145 "2023-07-15T03:56:24Z")
Well-- if he did that, though, Mr. Thorne, he’d have to actually proactively fulfill his prophecies instead of just sort of hanging out predicting the coming (on no specific timetable) of someone who will. (And doing a fair bit to try to lay the groundwork. Which still looks a lot like “just hanging out” compared to the kind of expectations he’s building up for his “True Emperor.”) The “True Emperor’s” role wouldn’t be an easy one to fill even if Mr. Nauplius hadn’t already built it up to be demanding on a scale that would crush probably any historical figure you could name. He’s preparing the way for a myth. Which, Mr. Nauplius himself isn’t, and he knows it. Even the pathologized ego he’s cursed with maintains enough pragmatic skepticism of his own powers to avoid wanting to sign himself up for that kind of part. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/146 "2023-07-15T10:08:57Z")
Or, to be more succinct: He’s too cowardly to try. (Because he knows he’s set an impossible standard for anyone to uphold, but still, since he’s the one setting that standard, insisting someone _else_ has to live up to it… that’s cowardly.) ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/147 "2023-07-15T13:36:28Z")
Hm. I’m … not … so sure of that, Arrendis. So, if I’m in an unmodified clone-- just ordinary, mostly-organic-except-for-my-bones-and-pilot-rig, itty-bitty, unarmored me, and, say, in the corridor I pass a crew of kitted-out very-obvious Blood Raiders or EoM or something headed straight for the front entrance of Gottin’s Lamp, you can be sure I’ll be tapping Lamp, station, or possibly both Lamp _and_ station security rather than trying to tackle that myself. If he happened to be around I would _absolutely_ be tapping Thal Vadam. Because if I did try to take that on myself directly, I might get a stab or a shot or a kick/punch/throw off and then I would be cut in half. I might see what I could do indirectly-- provide recon, maybe try to influence the environment somehow. At most I might circle around and try to get a flanking position for when the shooting starts-- _if_ I had at least a sidearm. I really don’t think just knowing your limits is cowardice, Arrendis, even if you’re saying, “Someone who doesn’t have these limits should really do a thing.” Not to say I think he’s particularly brave, but, if he’s a coward I don’t think this is why. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/148 "2023-07-16T16:45:59Z")
It’d be one thing if there were pre-existing ‘I know who can do this’, types out there. In your example, station/Lamp security or Thal, for example. That’s not an issue of bravery/cowardice, that’s an issue of ‘I can either risk failure or I can take measures to ensure success’. In your example, the challenge is _also_ actually quantified, and finite in scope. X resources _should_ be able to handle that challenge, and X is not an unachievable number. But he doesn’t have that. He’s not appealing to a specific person or group who are already tasked _and_ trained/equipped to deal with the issue he’s not just raising, but also _defining_… and doing so in a way that’s simultaneously nebulous _and_ unachievable. The better comparison would be the Drifter threat during the Defense of the Throne Worlds. You weren’t in any way prepared to drive back the Drifters, either individually or as part of SFRIM. Nobody was, on their own. And nobody knew what it would take. So everyone piled in to help out. If he _actually_ had the courage of his convictions… he’d step up now. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/149 "2023-07-16T17:18:19Z")
Well, if you want to look at it that way he’s founded an apparently actually spreading (really? Well, it’s got an egger bankrolling it, so, apparently, kinda, yeah) cult to prepare the way. So. Yeah. He’s trying to prepare the way for his hoped-for (or “revealed”) reality. He’s actually putting his money where his mouth is. That looks a bit like stepping up. Also he’s reclaimed his status as an unambiguous heretic to do it. That’s not a particularly cowardly thing to do. (I say although he did fairly recently invoke guest right to put me in the position of literally standing between him and an enraged Arline Kley. So, physical bravery, maybe not so much. Maybe it’s just he’s good for it where ego can do courage’s work?) ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/150 "2023-07-16T17:21:10Z")
Please. An egger throwing money at things is ‘stepping up’ like a normal person is ‘stepping up’ by successfully crossing the street without getting hit by a truck. As for the heresy… that might not be cowardly if there was any sign of consequences. But there isn’t, and there won’t be, and you know that as well as I do. He got hauled in by PIE _et al_ for the earlier heresies, and the official response wasn’t even a slap on the wrist, more like a yawning ‘yeah, whatevs’. No, there’s no bravery involved when you know nothing you do will _actually_ have repercussions that present more than a minor inconvenience. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/151 "2023-07-16T20:22:57Z")
I don’t know such a thing, though. What that thought has going for it is that for whatever reason it hasn’t happened yet, but it’s well-established that the Amarr do pretty regularly go after their heretics; just, for whatever reason they haven’t so far made him a priority (likely some issue related to him being a capsuleer). But we don’t know the actual reason, so we don’t know whether or when it might change. So, I don’t know that and I think outside of hyperbole neither do you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/152 "2023-07-16T20:34:58Z")
We have the evidence of what… 14 years(?) of high-profile, publicly-advertised heresy that’s been actively opposed by Amarr loyalists, petitions submitted to the MIO and Theology Council, and so forth. And the actual power structure has yawned, at best. Until there’s some indication that this will change, we have no reason to think it will, and 14 years of reason to think it will not. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/153 "2023-07-16T20:37:42Z")
I think I understand what OP has been saying this whole time. Caldari has the best accountants. Gallente has the best strippers. Minmatar has the best liquor. Amarr has the best interior designers. Is that more or less the point here? ---
**Author:** ![Rynna\_Alcerys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rynna_alcerys/32/499383_2.png) [@Rynna\_Alcerys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rynna_Alcerys)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/154 "2023-07-16T20:40:33Z")
Whilst Amarr _do_ have the best interior designers, I’m not quite sure you truly understand the essence of my statement here. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/155 "2023-07-16T20:56:37Z")
Your people had a thousand or so years in captivity with no expectation of ever escaping and then something changed. 14 years isn’t a lot. (And Nauplius personally hasn’t I think been around, or a problem, that long.) (Although it’s possible when they decide to do something about him they’d also be deciding to do something about the rest of us.) Anyway I’m kind of done, here, Arrendis. Think what you want, judge how you want, for the reasons you want, spurious, or not, as you want. Right or wrong, I’m tired of defending him to you, even on just one near-meaningless point. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Masseri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/richard_masseri/32/499157_2.png) [@Richard\_Masseri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Richard_Masseri)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/157 "2023-07-23T01:27:29Z")
I take a few weeks away from the tumultuous IGS and return to this. Ida give me guidance. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 6:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/158 "2023-07-23T06:15:45Z")
I’m not Ida but I’d advice taking a few more weeks. @Arrendis : myths and spirits don’t have to be factually real for one to have faith in them. Faith is more an internal state of mind holding the web of your connections than a belief about facts. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/159 "2023-07-23T06:30:38Z")
> [@Rynna\_Alcerys](#): > > regarding the Empress, she was put on the throne by our Lord. That’s all I need to know regarding her right to rule the Empire. Thanks for your kind support. ---
**Author:** ![Rynna\_Alcerys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rynna_alcerys/32/499383_2.png) [@Rynna\_Alcerys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rynna_Alcerys)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 7:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/160 "2023-07-23T07:37:21Z")
God hates those who choose to impersonate His chosen monarch, you should be careful. ---
**Author:** ![Thikadan\_Waylong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thikadan_waylong/32/379109_2.png) [@Thikadan\_Waylong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Thikadan_Waylong)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/161 "2023-07-23T16:21:46Z")
@Rynna_Alcerys I’m not Amarrian, I’m not familiar with your culture or religion but I support the Amarr empire. At least they have morals and a religion, it seems to have worked well for them for thousands of years. Their ships and armaments are sleek, vibrant and powerful. The Minmatar are none but vile aliens, ugly, smelly and without honor. Making them a slave race is a favor. And those who support the trash of the cluster deserve to be promptly biomassed… and their assets seized. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2023, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029/162 "2023-07-23T16:26:26Z")
Basically, you want people to pay you a lot of ISK for salvation that you cannot guarantee, which the only salvation you seek is your own Keepstar and Titan while everyone toils and dies around your scheme. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/on-those-with-inferior-blood/412029.md?page=9)