# One Way to Balance High-Security Space đź—ˇ **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/185 "2022-09-25T16:17:16Z")
Much like anything else in EVE, that would be easily circumvented… ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/186 "2022-09-25T16:19:20Z")
What’s the matter Max? You think being rude in Eve has value? Keep going. The fact you think your statement has any effect is the howler of the day. Oh, and ganking by definition does not occur anywhere but high sec. Did someone mention “idiot”? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/187 "2022-09-25T16:19:33Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > if you go fully personal attack I’m not sure what you feel here is “fully personal attack”? Is it suggesting that you might be lazy greedy and flying solo? Because those were all words taken out of _your_ post where you applied them to an entire swath of the player base. And you literally said you were a solo ganker who couldn’t make much profit on it because you were unable to loot. At any rate, you’re also confusing a theoretical “this is how it _could_ work” point with some stance on “this is how it _should_ work”. I personally don’t believe safe-conduct contracts would be a good development for the game, because we don’t actually _want_ safe conduct to be a common thing. That’s why the post says “a possible approach” and “The aim shouldn’t be to eliminate ganking but simply to expand the list of careers and options available to all players.” Good changes are ones that lead to more players engaging in more ways. And good new ideas are normally brought about by discussing lots of different approaches, rather than summarily dismissing everything you don’t understand or that doesn’t benefit you directly. ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/188 "2022-09-25T16:29:54Z")
With respect, how? I have a genuine interest in amending the gank to make it more exciting after the target dies. As I said, the aggressor wins by dying. I’ve thought through several scenarios but each one I’ve considered could easily be circumvented. Loss of skill points seems to prevent cooperative suiciding. If my idea doesn’t work (too easily circumvented), so be it, on to the next. ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/189 "2022-09-25T16:35:03Z")
I think you would end up with intentional skill point transfers. How does that sound go in PAC-MAN ? ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/190 "2022-09-25T16:36:07Z")
After I’ve ganked someone, using your idea, I can’t dock, use gates, or log off. All I have to do is have a fleet member who wasn’t part of the gank sitting at a safe spot in an Orca or whatever, jettison me a ship with an MWD, warp to zero on the sun, kick in the MWD and burn inside of the sun. You’ll never catch me because even if you probe me down, I’m still 10,000 km towards the inside of the sun and if you try to warp to me it will just drop you at zero on the sun. You can’t warp directly to someone that is inside of the sun or a planetary boundary, it will just dump you at zero. I use this same method to jack with players in null sec, because even if they probe me down, they can’t warp to me. It’s quite hilarious… You can burn 100,000 km inside of their sun, cloak up, and they will never be able to find you. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/191 "2022-09-25T16:38:34Z")
uhm hey dipshit, what you are talking about is the use of safety red…which is used outside of HS as well… How about you stop posting till you learn the eco system of the game first dumb ass ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/192 "2022-09-25T16:43:53Z")
Nice counter. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/193 "2022-09-25T16:44:48Z")
You make me laugh Max. Have a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/194 "2022-09-25T17:00:42Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Change CONCORD mechanics to spawn CONCORD if the target activates a distress signal, instead of being an automatic spawn. Anyone in the process of “ganking” a target would become suspect automatically, unless the target activates the distress signal, in which case they become criminal. If the target fights back instead of activating the distress signal, or fights back any time during the CONCORD engagement, the ganker remains suspect/becomes suspect again, and a limited engagement is created between the target and the ganker. > > This way, some gankers would hunt for targets that they think are AFK or not attentive, and would likely use bigger/more expensive ships for the activity, which could actually be viable for bounty payments that function as a percentage of the total ship value. This would also create baiting opportunities for pirates, and _actual_ gameplay for AGs, who would tail these gankers in order to try to interfere in their ganks for the opportunity to collect loot and bounty payments. Is this implying that there is no criminal timer anymore? Distress signal sounds interesting, people who disconnect should still receive CONCORD service even if it is delayed or the ship is on hull or destroyed or whatever. About bounties, since insurances are paid by the Secure Commerce Commission that belongs to CONCORD, then insured ships should retain a fraction of the insurance and be converted it as bounty. If there is no insurance or if the the destroyed hull can’t receive insurance because the pilot’s actions then there will be no bounty on the people who destroyed it. My bounty idea in relation to gameplay would let people running bounty hunts to openly shoot whoever owes ISK to the Secure Commerce Commission, since it is part of CONCORD then CONCORD would let people be legally shot. So bounties put by the Secure Commerce Commission would be closer to a kill rights system than the old bounty system… the bouny target could be destroyed over and over until all it’s debts to the Secure Commerce Commission are paid. My idea pains me, this would cause problems to me and my associates… but would be a better andmore fair system than the systems CCP provided. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/195 "2022-09-25T16:55:00Z")
I have heard all the arguments, for and against, the false assumption of risk. My issues with this evaluation is that the risk for the attacker has all but been eliminated due to the exploitation of concord. You will see every time safety attacks they have a corvette drawing away concord. I have joined their organizations with alts to observe them and that is the method used. CCP indicates that is banable but it happens all the time. You just have to check the killboard. Often times the only ship that dies from the attacker is a corvette. So let’s get real the risk of suicide ganks, you can make that argument but the exploitation of concord you can’t. We need to end the suicide gank because it has become something different completely. It’s just a /kill exploit without risk, and i see Safety coming on these forums claiming risk and they flat out lie. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/196 "2022-09-25T16:58:59Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > CCP indicates that is banable but it happens all the time. Where have they indicated this? Also, why another thread? There are plenty of others to post in. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/197 "2022-09-25T17:01:15Z")
no all threads are locked on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/198 "2022-09-25T17:03:09Z")
Wrong. Also, where have CCP indicated that pulling CONCORD is bannable? ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/199 "2022-09-25T17:05:34Z")
not wrong, and its on the list of bannable offenses. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Traindriver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_traindriver/32/373313_2.png) [@ISD\_Traindriver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Traindriver)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/200 "2022-09-25T17:07:18Z")
Again merged a Thread with same Theme … ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/201 "2022-09-25T17:09:24Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > not wrong, and its on the list of bannable offenses. Yes wrong (hence why this is now merged with an existing open thread). Also, no it isn’t on the list of bannable offences. You just clearly don’t understand what you are writing about and need to do some more reading. It’s not hard to search for. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/202 "2022-09-25T17:10:07Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > ative these room-temperature IQ bears have constructed about players coming in to “hunt the pirates” if the “incentives” are made big enough. It reminds me of the days when I still believed that dating would be like something out of a slice-of-life anime instead of 24/7 psychological warfare with a person who was only there to look for a way to steal the big-screen TV from my living room. Who hurt you? ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/203 "2022-09-25T17:10:29Z")
The first known exploit is to delay concord, the very thing Safety uses every single time to avoid the consequences of a suicide gank. > **[Known & Declared Exploits](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits)** > > Disclaimer > This article outlines public exploit notifications which are still in effect and addresses certain practices which are commonly misunderstood as exploits when they in fact are not. > Pleas... ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/204 "2022-09-25T17:12:02Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > The first known exploit is to delay concord, Pulling CONCORD is not delaying them. Go read up on what you are posting about before posting. You just look foolish. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=11)