# One Way to Balance High-Security Space šŸ—” **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/205 "2022-09-25T17:12:07Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > ative these room-temperature IQ bears have constructed about players coming in to ā€œhunt the piratesā€ if the ā€œincentivesā€ are made big enough. It reminds me of the days when I still believed that dating would be like something out of a slice-of-life anime instead of 24/7 psychological warfare with a person who was only there to look for a way to steal the big-screen TV from my living room. > > Who hurt you? ya you can stop with the disruptive forum bullying to silence the voices coming after these high sec scammers. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/206 "2022-09-25T17:13:17Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > not wrong, and its on the list of bannable offenses. Pretty great that people are still debating whether or not this every day standard opreating procedure is allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/207 "2022-09-25T17:13:21Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > The first known exploit is to delay concord, > > Pulling CONCORD is not delaying them. Go read up on what you are posting about before posting. You just look foolish. it is and you can continue to argue the fact all you want, i have had it demonstrated to me as a delay tactic by Safety people. This forum disruption is only meant to keep the exploit protected. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/208 "2022-09-25T17:14:05Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > not wrong, and its on the list of bannable offenses. > > Pretty great that people are still debating whether or not this every day standard opreating procedure is allowed. if you have a problem with that then have CCP remove it from the list of known exploits. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/209 "2022-09-25T17:14:48Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > it is No according to CCP. ĀÆ\_(惄)\_/ĀÆ ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/210 "2022-09-25T17:20:24Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > if you have a problem with that then have CCP remove it from the list of known exploits Ehhhh, if anything Iā€™ll file a petition that the folks in charge keep it how it is because the wording seems to confound some people who want to read one thing when it in fact says another and that is fairly entertaining to me. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/211 "2022-09-25T17:22:12Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > it is > > No according to CCP. ĀÆ\_(惄)\_/ĀÆ prove it ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/212 "2022-09-25T17:23:37Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > if you have a problem with that then have CCP remove it from the list of known exploits > > Ehhhh, if anything Iā€™ll file a petition that the folks in charge keep it how it is because the wording seems to confound some people who want to read one thing when it in fact says another and that is fairly entertaining to me. the fact that the same people jump to the defense of the obvious exploit every time it is brought up proves it is more then anything else. Without your voice, bans would be going out. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/213 "2022-09-25T17:23:51Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > prove it Typical lazy carebear: > [@Pulling CONCORD is now a permaban offense](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/334480/54): > > Hello everyone, Lead GM Arcade here. Thanks for your patience while this matter was discussed extensively within various departments including Customer Support. Itā€™s clear there is some confusion regarding what is an exploit and what is allowed. This may have been caused by a reference to posts by CCPā€™ers which may be outdated. EVE Online and its underlying mechanics continuously change, but the Known & Declared Exploits help center article is the definitive reference for exploits that all plaā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/214 "2022-09-25T17:27:04Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > prove it > > Typical lazy carebear: > > [Pulling CONCORD is now a permaban offense - #54](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/334480/54) he said it would not be implemented if used defensively but this same quote is used every time the exploit is brought up as well. Also no changes means that the page is the definitive answer as well. It is very interesting how you guys use the same obscurity every time to defend the current use of the exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/215 "2022-09-25T17:30:33Z")
Dumbass, a Suicide gankā€¦ Successful or not, results in a ship loss, then the ganker(s) have to lose another ship, usually to pull Concordā€¦which does not result in delayed timeā€¦ in 0.6 it still takes 11 seconds to spawn on target and fire whether Concord is off grid or they are on grid at 152km away. The exploits you are talking about are when you used to be able to throw cans and during a gank that Concord would shoot first before firing on the actual gankerā€¦ Even now drones fire once, maybe twice if used to in a gank way before Concord arrives and stop movingā€¦and concord kills the player ship b4 engagin any drones. Understand what you are talking about b4 opening up your crap stained pie hole! ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/216 "2022-09-25T17:30:33Z")
**we reserve the right to change this at a future date.** So forum discussions are a way of vetting changes. So the issue at hand is they canā€™t tell if concord is used defensively or for exploiting and they donā€™t want to go wading through the weeds. But there may be simple of ways of stopping it that does not stop defensive use. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/217 "2022-09-25T17:31:35Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > ā€¦ you guysā€¦ As in, people who keep themselves up to date on CCP policies? I would hope that was true of everyone. Clearly in your case, that isnā€™t so and all this stupid posting is the result. If you think pulling CONCORD is bannable, then go submit a ticket and report someone for it. Crying in the forum about the fact that CCP have ruled that both pulling CONCORD and defensive spawning of them (which are 2 different things) are are currently permitted just makes you look stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/218 "2022-09-25T17:32:49Z")
so i have to be a policy wonk just to get involved in the discussion. I think your delusional that your world matters to the complaint process. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/219 "2022-09-25T17:33:26Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > so i have to be a policy wonk No, no one needs to be. Thatā€™s a choice you made I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/220 "2022-09-25T17:34:22Z")
Yeah Scipio, we have the right to be completely ignorant and uneducated and assert whatever we believe as truth on very highly charged topics involving permanently removing people from the game! ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/221 "2022-09-25T17:34:32Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > so i have to be a policy wonk > > No, no one needs to be. Thatā€™s a choice you made I guess. sorry dude your world is so bleak that you think that matters, either way whatever bull crap that has happened in the past, it needs to change because it is driving paying customers from the game. CCP needs customers now. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/222 "2022-09-25T17:35:26Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > driving paying customers from the game Yeah! We should turn Eve into Wow! ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/223 "2022-09-25T17:36:12Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Yeah Scipio, we have the right to be completely ignorant and uneducated and assert whatever we believe as truth on very highly charged topics involving permanently removing people from the game! LOL! High sec exploiters are hardly paying customers. Well i guess they have to look at the decline we see now and decide if status quo is enough. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/224 "2022-09-25T17:37:05Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > driving paying customers from the game > > Yeah! We should turn Eve into Wow! with the exploit change you can still suicide gank, that wont stop. you just dont get a guaranteed kill. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=12)