# One Way to Balance High-Security Space šŸ—” **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/225 "2022-09-25T17:37:45Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > you just dont get a guaranteed kill. Yeah, today thereā€™s no way to prevent becoming a guaranteed kill! ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/226 "2022-09-25T17:38:23Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > I think your delusional that your world matters to the complaint process. Not even a coherent sentenceā€¦ Iā€™m disappointed in you. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/227 "2022-09-25T17:40:33Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > CCP needs customers now. Changing whether pulling CONCORD is allowed or not isnā€™t going to be a magic pill that changes anything. Giving people enough reward that they are motivated to undock will get more people back into space. Highsec PVP in general is at historically low levels right now. It isnā€™t the issue causing the gameā€™s decline. Poor CCP decisions across the board in other areas are the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/228 "2022-09-25T18:46:07Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > you are a nub on the forums I know you are, but what am I? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/5/6/f564e4eb3ec8f80cb208d20543d9ba5d7c8ec1b6.gif) > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > We need to end the suicide gank because it has become something different completely. Itā€™s just a /kill exploit without risk, and i see Safety coming on these forums claiming risk and they flat out lie. Yes, this is correct. * * * @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode _PLEASE_ donā€™t let all the off-topic threads cause it to be closed. Itā€™s a know tactic of c0d3./sAfeTy. I honestly see it as an exploit of the forums. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/229 "2022-09-25T18:48:54Z")
I canā€™t say I was planning on closing any threads for the moment. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/230 "2022-09-25T18:57:06Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Pulling CONCORD is not delaying them. Are you being coy? Obviously pulling CONCORD to another location delays them. Why else would gankers do it? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/6/c/a6cb86df34ddaac37c33bd7928b84fc2f4d73e8b.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/231 "2022-09-25T19:00:50Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Why else would gankers do it? To take advantage of the fact that CONCORD response has 2 systems, both of which are normal for them, but not the same amount of time. If you think a normal response from CONCORD is a delay, then that just indicates you (and many others) donā€™t use delay in the same sense that CCP do in their approach. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/232 "2022-09-25T19:09:48Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > that just indicates you (and many others) donā€™t use delay in the same sense that CCP do in their approach. Dated: September 07, 2022 10:24 # This exploit is not limited to drones or ships and applies to [any item or method which might be used to delay CONCORD.](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits) > **ā€œany item or method which might be used to delay CONCORD.ā€** Iā€™d draw you a picture, but I canā€™t draw very well. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/d/b/fdbf57a5faf6bb943d41be98bd0aceaab4db3f9f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/233 "2022-09-25T19:13:41Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Iā€™d draw you a picture, but I canā€™t draw very well. You can draw all the pictures you want. It wonā€™t make you right. If you think a normal response from CONCORD is a delay, then go raise a ticket on someone pulling CONCORD. Crying here in the forum about normal responses from CONCORD wonā€™t do anything. If anything, the best thing would be to raise a suggestion to remove the 2 response times for CONCORD so they only have 1. You might not be happy with the choice CCP makes if they ever implement it, but at least you can stop crying about CCP not using the word ā€œdelayā€ the same way you want it to be used. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/234 "2022-09-25T19:15:48Z")
Long story short, if it was a problem or considered an exploit, then CCP would be banning gankers left and right. Thatā€™s not the case, so they obviously donā€™t consider it to be a problemā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/235 "2022-09-25T19:36:52Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > So, your ā€œstated goalā€ is to make someone elseā€™s gameplay more difficult? What gratification do you derive from this behavior? You realize, PvP is part of the game right? Those peeps consented as soon as the station pooped them out my guy, > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Iā€™m not petitioning for this. Simply lock people out of HS based on their security status. It would take about 2 lines of code. LOL, imagine being this afraid in a vidya game. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > WHā€™s can be locked as well. I read that somewhereā€¦ Not really. Jesus. Its like you donā€™t even play this game ROFL. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > I love ā¤ this idea. I would camp the šŸ’© out of said gates. Doubt very much. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Cool Story Broā€¦ He also didnā€™t even touch running anomics. Itā€™s clear you donā€™t know how to play this game šŸ˜ƒ > [@Hans\_Devin](#): > > The Ganker is the aggressor but gets to end the confrontation by dying to CONCORD and hiding out in a station (thatā€™s my main beef). Whereā€™s the party in that? Gankers gotta run to stay alive. Thereā€™s no suicide in ganking unless you want to give up 300,000 SP. But you only lose 200,000 to the bounty hunter. That way no Ganker will die to an ally in system just to go home. If serious, this may be the dumbest idea ever suggested LOL. > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > We need to end the suicide gank because it has become something different completely. Itā€™s just a /kill exploit without risk, and i see Safety coming on these forums claiming risk and they flat out lie. You realize you have a never fail radar that tells you who is in system right? > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > not wrong, and its on the list of bannable offenses. Someone canā€™t read good šŸ˜ƒ They made it not bannable a while ago bruv. Catch up šŸ˜ƒ > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > The first known exploit is to delay concord, the very thing Safety uses every single time to avoid the consequences of a suicide gank. Oof. Youā€™re wrong bro. Sorry šŸ˜ƒ > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > it is and you can continue to argue the fact all you want, i have had it demonstrated to me as a delay tactic by Safety people. This forum disruption is only meant to keep the exploit protected. You realize it was the devs who made it protected right? > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > So forum discussions are a way of vetting changes. So the issue at hand is they canā€™t tell if concord is used defensively or for exploiting and they donā€™t want to go wading through the weeds. But there may be simple of ways of stopping it that does not stop defensive use. Point still stands. They _may_ change it in the future. But for now its fine. So yes, youā€™re wrong šŸ˜ƒ > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > LOL! High sec exploiters are hardly paying customers. Well i guess they have to look at the decline we see now and decide if status quo is enough. Or yennoe, people could just pay attention. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > _PLEASE_ donā€™t let all the off-topic threads cause it to be closed. Itā€™s a know tactic of c0d3./sAfeTy. I honestly see it as an exploit of the forums. Look at this guy dry snitching, ROFL. Man. At least have some dignity. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/236 "2022-09-25T19:53:53Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Look at this guy dry snitching, ROFL He just didnā€™t realise, it wasnā€™t off topic posting. This has become the new dumping ground thread, so the posts that he thinks were off topic were merged into this thread by @ISD_Traindriver and another thread closed. This is now the new nerf ganking megathread. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/237 "2022-09-25T19:55:01Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > This is now the new nerf ganking megathread. Well, Iā€™m not surprised by his lack of reading comprehension heh ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/238 "2022-09-25T20:41:50Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > Who hurt you? People who donā€™t understand comedy? ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/239 "2022-09-25T20:45:23Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If you think a normal response from CONCORD is a delay, then go raise a ticket on someone pulling CONCORD. Please explain to me why gankers go to the trouble of ā€œpulling CONCORDā€ with rookie ships if it makes no difference. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/240 "2022-09-25T20:46:50Z")
Who said it makes no difference? To quote what I answered last time: > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > To take advantage of the fact that CONCORD response has 2 systems, both of which are normal for them, but not the same amount of time. Nothing has changed in the short time since I answered that question before. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/241 "2022-09-25T20:49:25Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Please explain to me why gankers go to the trouble of ā€œpulling CONCORDā€ with rookie ships if it makes no difference. Heh. I like when you show you got no understanding of game mechanics šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/242 "2022-09-25T20:52:29Z")
Youā€™re being coy. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/a/d/cade5e36fc2838968f105f463fe9e976fb6717fc.png) Itā€™s obvious to anyone with half a brain that they pull CONCORD in order to delay their response time. You can spin it however you like, but everyone knows whatā€™s up. * * * > CCP will either have to change the rules or punish the violators. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/243 "2022-09-25T20:54:09Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Itā€™s obvious to anyone with half a brain Maybe they should try a whole brain instead. If you believe they are delaying CONCORD then go raise a support ticket against someone doing it. If CCP apply ā€œdelayā€ the way you believe it to mean, then surely theyā€™ll act. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/244 "2022-09-25T21:19:11Z")
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