# One Way to Balance High-Security Space šŸ—” **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/274 "2022-09-25T23:07:20Z")
You had to hit me with that one! šŸ¤Ŗ ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/276 "2022-09-25T23:15:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yeah you got me real good. What was that game where people were getting killed walking into the street while playing? Be happy your just losing pixels. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/278 "2022-09-25T23:18:55Z")
Only between the ears. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/279 "2022-09-25T23:40:52Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > What does it really matter if a large pile of people pay CCP to mine veldspar in safety if veldspars impact on the wider economy is contained? High-sec PvP impacts many more players than just those mining Veldspar, but thatā€™s the part you never address or even acknowledge. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/281 "2022-09-26T00:22:12Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think Hardly. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > the game would easily survive without ganking. What would be left of the game after that? Botsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/283 "2022-09-26T00:28:25Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > ganking The small amount of ganking only affect bots like you. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/284 "2022-09-26T00:28:58Z")
We are clearly dealing with someone who has a serious condition here, nothing people say will matter. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/285 "2022-09-26T00:29:42Z")
But itā€™s like reading the comics! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/286 "2022-09-26T00:30:19Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I have addressed it. I donā€™t think the impact on other playstyles is particularly large and I think the game would easily survive without ganking. We donā€™t care what you ā€œthink.ā€ We care whether or not the argument youā€™re _publicly presenting_ for the sake of _swaying the gameā€™s course of development_ is intellectually-honest or not, and itā€™s anything but. Every time you talk about gankingā€™s impact on the game and its economy, you _only_ mention ā€œplayers mining Veldsparā€ or ā€œrookie griefing in starter systems.ā€ You _never_ mention the deadspace-fit marauders chain-farming missions, the high-end abyssal running Gilas, or the loaded freighters and haulers going down the trade routes, the ganking of which carries a _vastly_ greater impact on the gameā€™s economy and environment than players mining low-end ore five jumps from Jita. When you cherry-pick your arguments like that, you _will_ get called out on it. And we donā€™t care how you respond. Our goal is met when we discredit you, and not when we ā€œwinā€ the argument. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/287 "2022-09-26T00:35:59Z")
@Scipio_Artelius thanks for the data. I agree with most of what you have to say escept when it comes to ganking. I believe the overall decline has too many factors to easily quantify. However, itā€™s easy to see that a lot of people are unhappy with the changes to the game or burnt out. The struggle and the excitement has faded for most of us over time. @Lucas_Kell presents a very honest and compelling argument in my humble opinion. Ganking is griefing and I donā€™t think the original developers intended to be this way. If players want to shoot each other, they can go to LS or Null. Thereā€™s plenty fights to be had. Iā€™ll gladly pay someone to monitor the in-game channel, ā€œWhy Was I Gankedā€ and compile a comprehensive report. In ISK of course. I ask that each of you take some time and sit in that channel and listen to how they demean and belittle every pilot that gets ganked and is invited to the channel. * * * # Trust me, itā€™s greifing. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/288 "2022-09-26T00:37:47Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Trust me, itā€™s greifing. Thank god, here I thought it was griefing. Whew. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/290 "2022-09-26T00:40:41Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Neither position can be objectively proven however so neither can be dismissed out of hand as you seem intent on doing. Actually, it hasā€¦ Time and time and time and time and time againā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/291 "2022-09-26T00:42:12Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Thank god, Here I thought it was God. Whew. \*Spelling is hardā€¦as is capitalization. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/293 "2022-09-26T00:43:36Z")
And yet time and time and time and time and time again you prove nothing. Edit; Other than youā€™re a botter anywayā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/294 "2022-09-26T00:49:53Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Iā€™m absolutely certain I understand the gameā€™s economy better than you do Yes, you are very smart and educated and erudite, and obviously vastly better at everything than everyone else here. None of this is news to us. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/296 "2022-09-26T00:55:30Z")
You have been botting that long? How many generations of bots have you gone through? ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/297 "2022-09-26T00:57:58Z")
I just remebered the best FC I ever had. He has since passed away. We ran through Curse like a hot knife through butter! * * * [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/4/74713ef411af661b56a74820cc16709c8f3f587c.jpeg "Xirt Box story") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avzQQvOIY78) * * * > **[VOTFXirtam the dark lord of eve has passed away - EVE General Discussion - ...](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/message/6663693)** > > EVE allows you to discover, explore and dominate an amazing science fiction universe while you fight, trade, form corporations and alliances with other players. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/298 "2022-09-26T01:05:14Z")
With all of your prodigious intelligence and cranial mass density that rivals uranium, you still donā€™t really _get_ it. Weā€™re not here to win a debate or to hold a wiener-measuring contest with you. Weā€™re just here to, when you say something asinine with the intent of misleading the community and/or any random people passing through, completely discredit you by pointing out your fallacies and dropping some genuine evidence, which these people can read, internalize, and then come to the conclusion that you arenā€™t someone whose words and opinions should be given consideration. And to that end, weā€™ve been _massively_ successful. What you consider to be your ā€œargumentsā€ isnā€™t something we perceive as a threat; they donā€™t need to be ā€œdefeated.ā€ Your expressed desires for changes to the game in your vision arenā€™t on the radar. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/300 "2022-09-26T01:18:30Z")
All your here to do is make the game a bot free-for-all. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/301 "2022-09-26T01:21:28Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > What you consider to be your ā€œargumentsā€ isnā€™t something we perceive as a threat; they donā€™t need to be ā€œdefeated.ā€ Well, your little gaggle of trolls sure go to a LOT of trouble to extinguish aa non-existant threat. * * * Whoā€™s really being disingenuous here? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=15)