# One Way to Balance High-Security Space šŸ—” **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/322 "2022-09-26T07:42:14Z")
Time well spend I see, itā€™s a shame our time zones only cross at certain times but what ever, it was fun, itā€™s a pity the Golems went into Bastion as we may have saved them. And some people should have fitted properly But keep on track with the thread, Eve mechanics seemed to work ok this evening for both sides, double our numbers and we could have saved a lot more, I burnt out my reps several times and was chatting to one happy freighter pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/323 "2022-09-26T07:50:46Z")
Those poor mission runners. šŸ˜¢ Someone ought to do something about this! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/324 "2022-09-26T07:52:00Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > poor mission runners If they are poor they should run better paying missions. šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 8:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/325 "2022-09-26T08:03:36Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Helpful stuff (not actually quoting) > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Very similar, and just as helpful stuff Thank you, both, for replying with, once again, constructive feedback. Given the nature of the post Iā€™m replying to, I was running with the premise that the OP had reasons for their suggestion. From my own (limited) experience, new player systems seem very safe for new players, and the nearby hisec systems donā€™t seem like much of a danger - though I still consider everywhere to come with some measure of risk even when Iā€™m a new person in a career agent system. Iā€™m new enough to the game to trust that both of you AND the person whose original post weā€™re responding to, all have significantly more playtime than me. That leaves me in a position to be viewing things as somewhat of an outsider (but an odd one, because Iā€™ve been in contact with the gameā€™s community since it was less than a year old). I wasnā€™t actually trusting that the OPā€™s reasons for wanting change were valid, but I was making my suggestion while working from that assumption - even if my prior knowledge suggests it not to be an accurate assessment of the game. I was addressing their suggestion NOT by claiming to know the game well enough to just say ā€œnoā€ when I donā€™t, but by saying ā€œwhat about this slightly different version of the suggestion?ā€ and seeing how people react to it and the reasons they give for why they agree or disagree with me. And once again, thank you both for giving constructive feedback on my suggestion, and a good breakdown of why it isnā€™t needed (and isnā€™t a good idea). > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > yah > was the first big mistake i ever did in eve And thank you for the epic story! šŸ˜ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/326 "2022-09-26T08:29:56Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > I think people deal with things better when they know about them ā€œup frontā€. Sorry Im not sure in what way Im ā€œdealing withā€ Aiko. But anyway, Ill take it as an attempt to be helpful, so thank you, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/327 "2022-09-26T15:45:17Z")
> [@QuakeGod](#): > > if it was a problem or considered an exploit, then CCP would be banning gankers left and right. that argument is kind of off unless you thinking botting is ok as well. m ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/328 "2022-09-26T16:29:42Z")
I thought botting had to do with the elimination of human-actions in a game. Which is independent of the actual in-game action under discussion. Is the suggestion that all CONCORD pulls are done by bots? What about other ā€œexploits that are CCP approvedā€ like microwarpdrive-plus-cloak trick? I figure thereā€™s more than enough nuance available here. ---
**Author:** ![State\_Soldier\_1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/state_soldier_1/32/336854_2.png) [@State\_Soldier\_1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/State_Soldier_1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/329 "2022-09-26T17:13:55Z")
Simple really. Allow freighters to fit defenses. A golem with 3 bil fittings, active tanked, using auto pilot. Yea he deserved it. But the freighter has no option other than using alts. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/330 "2022-09-26T17:27:28Z")
Mm no. Hereā€™s why. Weā€™re playing an MMO. Whatā€™s crazy is that article DC linked from the original devs, when you compare their vision of EVE to now, itā€™s totally different. EVE has almost become that massively single player experience they didnā€™t want due to multi-accounts. Flying a freighter? Find actual _other_ people to help defend it. If I was flying thru space with billions of ISK, Iā€™d want people guarding me too LOL. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/332 "2022-09-26T17:58:29Z")
Tell that to Red Frog, Black Frog, and PushX. Iā€™m pretty sure theyā€™ve made a tidy profit from itā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/334 "2022-09-26T18:04:33Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This used to be a thing in null and it was shockingly boring. Hauling is a long, slow and relatively unrewarding process. I donā€™t know why you think itā€™s good game design to drag multiple people into having to do it. Hauling is just a poorly designed time sink, it doesnā€™t make good gameplay for a group. My guy, weā€™re playing an MMO. Thatā€™s the reason šŸ˜ƒ You know what makes those runs exciting? When people try to blap you and your homies defend you šŸ˜ƒ Cause yennoe. Youā€™re playing a vidya game. At the keyboard šŸ˜ƒ > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Iā€™m sure they do, but only because itā€™s insanely dull so thereā€™s plenty of people willing to pay, and they have people willing to do it (or AP bot it). Even then, if they arenā€™t botting or autopiloting their time would pay off better doing literally anything else. The big money in hauling is in JFs. If they started having to have fleets escorting every load itā€™d rapidly fall apart. In your _opinion_ šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/336 "2022-09-26T18:19:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Join PushX and do a few weeks of hauler runs then let me know how exiting it is and how excited youā€™d be to do the same thing but not even be the hauler. The funny part about this is that what youā€™re talking about was already part of the game and was nuked as a concept because even the top end of nullsec rewards didnā€™t make up for the boredom it induced. In your _opinion_ šŸ˜ƒ Again bruv, weā€™re playing an MMO. Some activities, if you wanna be safe, should require other people šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/338 "2022-09-26T18:28:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Serious question, do you _genuinely_ believe that ganking is all that exists in EVE? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/5/0/c507b1e81f7423dd78a7ad291dd87f87ee7ad149.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/339 "2022-09-26T18:37:12Z")
The only thing that makes it boring are other people not interacting with the escort. Iā€™m sure the group making the escort run are having fun in comms just by being social. These sort of things should be points of content, but people would rather just dock up than to engage. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/340 "2022-09-26T18:45:53Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > LULZ. I owned my first Super/Mom before you even started playing the game. Iā€™m pretty sure that I understand the mechanics of gamepla This the root of all your problems, you think that being a player is the simple act of owning somethingā€¦ then you see gankers destroying items that are on space and this challenges your notions of existence in EVE. Nothing on space belongs to you, everything on space can change from hand to hand or disapear. Now send me 300 PLEX, thatā€™s the psychiatrist bill. ---
**Author:** ![Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tenger_ondor_khaan/32/357667_2.png) [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tenger_Ondor_Khaan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/341 "2022-09-26T18:47:01Z")
I like your post. In the real world where CCP does not listen nor read these posts though it will not happen. So how will the high sec herd of cats come to realize that the problem will have to be solved by them and them alone. My guess Never, For Ever And Ever. But say they finally did go past that 51% tolerance level and peg out at 110%, then Ganking is the only solution to Ganking. That right brothers and sisters, and cats of many nations CCP will not respond until you all join in the fun and stop high sec from moving even one system with out total abject fear of annihilation, Like your spirit there but CCP spent two years doing nothing why would you really think they are about to do any thing now. Keep the spirit. Ganking is the Way according to the Ashes of the Holy roids. Do you have your Pair. (Now when you read this do it in a Southern Bell accent and you will be amazed of the effect it will have on you Holy pair.) Ganking is the only way, repent and join ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/342 "2022-09-26T18:55:11Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > They were UO players. Yea they did : DC already dropped the receipts. Cry about it šŸ˜ƒ Really? So CCP devs were Ultima Online players just like us, no wonder that the online games I identified most are Ultima Online and EVE Online I will join you soon in UO and I will be a player killer, hopefully you are too. Iā€™m running the newbie dungeon, I just spent all my reagents. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > bounty payment I say that only insured ships should generate bounties split on itā€™s attackers, this would include all sec levels, it could be 1/3 of the insured value. So if the player spent 30 milions in an insurance, then the bounty would be 10 milions split between the attackers. The bounties would be rolled during DT so it wouldnā€™t cause performance issues during big fights. What do you think about my idea @Mike_Azariah ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/344 "2022-09-26T19:00:47Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, but that doesnā€™t mean all activities should be like that. And ultimately itā€™s a game, so the goal should be entertainment. As much as you can say ā€œin your opinionā€, youā€™re wrong. The majority opinion was that hauler escort fleets were boring, which is why they were purged as a concept. Erm. Yea bro, not all, but if youā€™re choosing to haul billions in assets across dangerous space, maybe bring some friends. Yennoe. In an MMO šŸ˜ƒ So when I say opinion, Iā€™m wrong. But then you go on to say it was still an opinion. Which means its an opinion, not a fact. As you admitted. Also uh escort fleets werenā€™t ā€œpurgedā€. People either yes, found them boring but the slow way is the safe way as Stilgar says. Or people just multi-boxed and did it themselves. I mean if you could show me the patch notes were the escort fleets were purged as a concept by CCP, thatā€™d be appreciated šŸ˜ƒ I wasnā€™t aware of something in game that stopped you from fleeting up with a freighter šŸ˜ƒ Oh and um, did you find it on the box yet? Inquiring minds want to know Rroff šŸ˜ƒ > [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > The only thing that makes it boring are other people not interacting with the escort. Iā€™m sure the group making the escort run are having fun in comms just by being social. These sort of things should be points of content, but people would rather just dock up than to engage. Chip truth omae. The best supply run is a boring supply run šŸ˜ƒ > [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Now send me 300 PLEX, thatā€™s the psychiatrist bill. Yennoe, if I got paid for all the education I do here, Iā€™d be a very rich space boy šŸ˜ƒ > [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Really? So CCP devs were Ultima Online players just like us, no wonder that the online games I identified most are Ultima Online and EVE Online > > I will join you soon in UO and I will be a player killer, hopefully you are too. > Iā€™m running the newbie dungeon, I just spend all my reagents. Yea, thatā€™s what drew me to EVE in the first place. Right now Iā€™m mainly APKing cause I donā€™t got a house. Hard to macro off counts without a house šŸ˜ƒ Add my discord. I can give you some popular PK builds. Of course mage is usually first on the list. Newb dungeon is good for beginning gold/skill gain. You gain skill 10x faster in there but only to 75. Sadly youā€™ll have to do some PvM first to fund your PvP, good news is PvP chars are way cheaper cause codex/aspect donā€™t apply. Main expense will be some GM gear/regs and your spellbook/runebook. There are some very big active PK guilds tho. PKing is very active both in dungeon and in the wild. Iā€™m macroing up an archer mage right now, already got a macer dex and almost done with my nox fencer. Hard part is if you die as a red, depending on counts it also costs gold to rezz them IF red. So a lot of times peep just macro off the counts. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > were boring as sin. That means they were successful šŸ˜ƒ > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Personally Iā€™d rather they made players spend less time engaging in a time sink and more time engaging with more exciting content, even if they added some delay on delivery mechanics so hauling contracts still took time. You want it to be exciting? Leak the route youā€™re going ahead of time šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/345 "2022-09-26T19:05:12Z")
Well if you want to haul billions without an escort, thatā€™s up to you just donā€™t cry about it when someone ganks youā€¦which plenty already do, hence the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/347 "2022-09-26T19:18:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, you do it and then come back to me and tell me how you feel it works out as a mechanic. I have before? It went fine. A boring run is a good run because it means everyone made it safely. Also, Iā€™m sorry that for you its hard to fly around in space with some bros, shooting the quafe and generally having a grand time. I mean, it speaks volumes about you tho bruv šŸ˜ƒ > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > They were purged through the implementation of JFs, removing the need to use regular freighters to move large volumes. Huh. So you wonā€™t mind dropping the patch notes where CCP says that you canā€™t fleet up with reg freighters anymore because they introduced JFs right? Cause you see, when you say purged, youā€™re saying it is no longer allowed šŸ˜ƒ So Iā€™m just curious as to where CCP implemented that in the patch notes. Also did you find it on the box or > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Escorts make no difference in highsec, which is what this topic is about. At most you need a webbing alt. Iā€™m sure they would have helped keep some freighters alive in Uedama šŸ˜ƒ [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=15) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=17)