# One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/398 "2022-09-27T00:33:16Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Wow, you know so much about me. I bought my ships with ISK that I earned in-game. That was way before you could buy PLEX with cash and sell it on the market. Also, back in '03 we had to figure out how to do things. There was no rookie guide to help us and everything was manual. Fitting multiple ships at once wasn’t even dreamed about. You literally could only warp to gates at 15km (without BM’s). > > My point is, I’ve learned a lot about the game. What I buy I own within the game. I just don’t feel the need to take what other people have earned and call it “elite PvP” in HS. > > Gankers are a joke, a sad joke. Cool story bro 😃 You’re so cool 😃 Where does the Vegas strip play into this? ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/399 "2022-09-27T00:38:58Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > invite some friends to make the run safer You’re obviously trolling. HS hauling is “on topic”. What you’re proposing only works in LS and Null. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > But since humans (and especially carebears) are stupid and greedy Were you born an asshole or did you work at it your whole life? And, haven’t you cried every time that someone compares Eve to RL? You’re just another troll. @Lucas_Kell Please don’t waste your time arguing/answering @Gix_Firebrand. He doesn’t play the game, he only criticizes people and has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. Also, you can block him 🙂 > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Hauling is already inherently safe in highsec Maybe because you’re blue to the gankers? Just a thought. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Instead, we only have the sporadic danger from player ganking You’re comparing apples to oranges. High-Security​đŸȘŠ Space was designed to be safe. Ganking isn’t and wasn’t supposed to happen. Some GM’s thought it was content and let it continue but it’s run its course. RIP đŸȘŠ > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > mechanics designed specifically to take up time CCP should offer jump bridges in HS like they do in Null. Just charge a fuel fee and see how that goes. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Just pick a safe system and you can mine away pretty much unimpeded forever. Good advice, they should put “read the forums” in the new player experience. Instead, they tell new players that EVERYONE will either kill them or scam them
so, “trust no one” makes it an even steeper learning curve. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/1/a/61a1f7b60d1895f125e0fd8123007483004a5b3a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/400 "2022-09-27T00:41:48Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > You’re just another troll. > @Lucas_Kell Please don’t waste your time arguing/answering @Gix_Firebrand. He doesn’t play the game, he only criticizes people and has nothing worthwhile to contribute to the conversation. Also, you can block him 🙂 I literally play all the time 😃 Also, where does the Vegas strip play into this? > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Good advice, they should put “read the forums” in the new player experience. Instead, they tell new players that EVERYONE will either kill them or scam them
so, “trust no one” makes it an even steeper learning curve. Sage advice. Nubs aren’t helpless sheep. They can read and got Google. They’ll be fine 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/401 "2022-09-27T00:46:53Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Space was designed to be safe. No. > **[System security - EVE University Wiki](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/System_security)** #### High security > High Security systems are those with a security level of 0.5 to 1.0. [CONCORD](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/CONCORD) will react to hostile actions between pilots, with the response time ranging from almost instant in 1.0 space to up to 19 seconds in 0.5 space. Players also commonly use the terms High, High-sec, Highsec, Hi-sec, and Hisec. > > In these systems, stargates may be patrolled by NPC CONCORD, customs, and/or faction navy ships, and stargates and stations will have sentry guns. Aggression (i.e. committing a [Criminal-level offense](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Crimewatch)) will provoke a response from CONCORD and any nearby sentry guns. Aggression resulting in the destruction of another player’s ship and/or pod will result in a loss of security status. That’s all, nothing was designed to be safe, it is a reaction for a crime, that’s all. Because your limited capacity of understanding you keep posting about stuff you don’t know about. ![selfie](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/2/7/a27cf6d7263af8dafedfc71e0bcecea49e7ea98f.png) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/403 "2022-09-27T00:59:44Z")
This thread makes me wonder if its highsec that is unbalanced
or just some of the people living in it. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/404 "2022-09-27T01:02:50Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > you keep posting about stuff you don’t know about. Uh, I was there. It was designed to be safe. That wiki page isn’t from 2003 mate. * * * The consequences of ganking don’t fit the crime. 15 minutes? REALLY? Imagine robbing a bank and the judge sentencing you to 15 minutes in jail. Society would fall apart. There MUST BE law and order!!! Remember, Eve Online is a community and therefore falls under the rules that govern a society. Thus, the decline
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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/405 "2022-09-27T01:02:51Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s generally safe to just ignore Gix. He doesn’t really have anything to say that’s actually on topic. He’s too busy giggling like well adjusted adults normally do
 Oh wait
 Oof. You mean you never giggle bro? At anything at all? I mean I see a ton of adults giggling every day. Man. That actually makes me feel super sad for you. In all honesty. Imagine not being able to feel simple joy like that and trying to take some misguided pride in the fact that your life is so bleak, that you can’t even laugh unguardedly. Man. I pity you bro. Truly. I hope one day you can actually find something that makes you happy. We get that it ain’t EVE no more. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > This thread makes me wonder if its highsec that is unbalanced
or just some of the people living in it. Well in terms of Razorback, it really comes down to what’s happening on the Vegas strip 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/406 "2022-09-27T01:03:17Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > The consequences of ganking don’t fit the crime. 15 minutes? REALLY? > > Imagine robbing a bank and the judge sentencing you to 15 minutes in jail. > > Society would fall apart. There MUST BE law and order!!! > > Remember, Eve Online is a community and therefore falls under the rules that govern a society. > > Thus, the decline
 Imagine thinking robbing a bank IRL has anything to do with a space vidya game 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/408 "2022-09-27T01:19:40Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > when CCP make changes to ganking They are incoming. Finally! ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/409 "2022-09-27T01:23:45Z")
Imagine being so “adult” that you can’t giggle. A grown adult, can’t let loose and giggle. I would hate to live in that environment, too many rules. Where I’m from, an adult can giggle and no one will think anything of it other than “oh hey, that person is happy”. Until CCP decides that ganking is no longer acceptable, players are allowed to think it’s acceptable video game behavior. CCP have told us where it’s not acceptable and most of us agree that is a good decision. At that time they could have said ganking is frowned upon in other places as well, but they didn’t. In fact they quote how much we destroy and praise it’s affects on the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/410 "2022-09-27T01:23:58Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Thus, the decline
 What did I do this time? ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/412 "2022-09-27T01:32:39Z")
I have seen you (and so far, only you) saying this. I haven’t seen anyone else saying anything to the contrary without providing evidence. Do you have a source to confirm this has been said by CCP? Because I haven’t seen it, so it would be nice to have a reference to check that they really did say that. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/413 "2022-09-27T01:32:41Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > ganking is no longer acceptable They clearly signaled this by listing delaying CONCORD as a “[known exploit](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits)”. * * * Yet, gankers get away with it every day. I think CCP is just afraid to upset that small vocal group of people. * * * # #STOPEXPLOITINGCONCORD 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/414 "2022-09-27T01:33:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > reducing grefing Corected it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/415 "2022-09-27T01:37:29Z")
Which is why it is a bannable offense to gank in a newbie system, which I’ve mentioned or alluded to several times. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/416 "2022-09-27T01:38:38Z")
Did I mention anything with delaying CONCORD? I haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/418 "2022-09-27T01:40:23Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > They clearly signaled this by listing delaying CONCORD as a “[known exploit](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits)”. No
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! The CONCORD thing is something else, in their post they dont reveal the thing
 there is a thing beyond pulling CONCORD
 i will not mention the thing so no one will do the thing, because you can be banned if you do the thing. Pulling CONCORD is normal, it is desgined like that, it is fine. No changes happened, there is a thing beyond pulling CONCORD that no one should know about it. The way people are pulling CONCORD nowadays and since always is the correct way. Nothing changed. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/419 "2022-09-27T01:42:13Z")
Have you guys figured that EVE is not a very soloable game? I see too many loners wanting to have la cake and eat it. So, see if such things as ganking etc encourage making friends. If you do not see this, maybe an great idea to intro would be scout drones. But it’s a noggona. So get off forumland and make friends in there. I assure you it works. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/420 "2022-09-27T01:42:21Z")
> [@Malak\_Starfire](#): > > Which is why it is a bannable offense to gank in a newbie system, which I’ve mentioned or alluded to several times. It is not, what is bannable is interfering with the newbros running their tutorial missions from the agents there. If anybody else go do XYZ in a noob system it is game, green light for the gank there
 just don’t touch a newbro preventing it from running the tutorials. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/421 "2022-09-27T01:42:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, I’m an adult. If something is funny I’ll laugh. > > Like when CCP make changes to ganking I’ll laugh. Mainly I’ll laugh because gankers will have done exactly what wardeccers did. They’d have spent the entire time claiming there’s nothing wrong with ganking rather than engaging in any meaningful and constructive discussion about how to make reasonable changes, so CCP will make changes that will likely go much further than gankers would like. Man. That is a sad life for you 😃 Imagine being unable to giggle. Being so guarded you cannot even experience a moment of unguarded joy. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > They are incoming. Finally! LOL, keep on praying to daddy CCP 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > CCP have also said that ganking affects new player churn and that they intend to make changes with the aim of reducing ganking. They didn’t actually 😃 > [@Omnis\_Decline](#): > > I have seen you (and so far, only you) saying this. I haven’t seen anyone else saying anything to the contrary without providing evidence. Do you have a source to confirm this has been said by CCP? Because I haven’t seen it, so it would be nice to have a reference to check that they really did say that. He doesn’t. He is misrepresenting what CCP said on purpose 😃 > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > They clearly signaled this by listing delaying CONCORD This has already been explained to you, several times ROFL. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Yet, gankers get away with it every day. I think CCP is just afraid to upset that small vocal group of people. So now CCP, the company who owns the game, are terrified of a small group, in your words, and that’s what’s stopping them from changing their own game? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But newbies don’t stay in newbie systems, and gankers hang out in pipe systems near to rookie systems to catch them on their way through. Which you’ve never dropped any proof 😃 Also once they leave the newb systems, they are fair game. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=20)