# One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/464 "2022-09-28T18:34:29Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > You just don’t have the depth of knowledge of someone who claims to have been playing since 2003. True. He doesn’t even know how to farm 4s. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/465 "2022-09-28T20:02:58Z")
What is stupid in bullying people off the forums, i do not accept anything you say and will continue to have the conversation regardless of your attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/466 "2022-09-28T20:04:18Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > > > You just don’t have the depth of knowledge of someone who claims to have been playing since 2003. > > True. He doesn’t even know how to farm 4s. if your over 40 then you tried the game when it came out. We all did. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/467 "2022-09-28T20:07:40Z")
it would be cool to have some form of high sec law enforcement but we also have to solve the out of control alt problem. CCP’s based a business off alts. And so far has a major issue nailing down how many actual players it has, a serious investor problem. They need to just count credit cards. As in real cards. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/468 "2022-09-28T20:09:43Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > What is stupid in bullying people off the forums No one forces anyone else to claim they are a 2003 player when they aren’t. It doesn’t even matter to the substance of nearly every conversation. However, when someone tries to claim some sort of authority on the basis of being a 2003 player, then sure that’s going to be checked, especially when it just doesn’t seem to add up based on knowledge of the game demonstrated in posts. So post evidence or don’t. It doesn’t really matter. All we have currently to go by is a 2003 character purchased off the character bazaar. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/469 "2022-09-28T20:11:35Z")
the old characters are bugged, i dont know why you would want them. Too many database conversions gone wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/470 "2022-09-28T20:12:24Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > if your over 40 then you tried the game when it came out. We all did. That would be highly dependent on what they were into. And he’s claiming to have been here for a long time, yet is unaware of how do to do lvl 4 missions for profit. Something doesn’t add up 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/471 "2022-09-28T20:12:28Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > the old characters are bugged Sure they are. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/472 "2022-09-28T20:13:10Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > the old characters are bugged, i dont know why you would want them. Too many database conversions gone wrong. How so? You got any proof or ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/473 "2022-09-28T20:14:47Z")
Yep (doesn’t like short answers for some reason which is annoying)… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/474 "2022-09-28T20:15:07Z")
Oh ok. So you won’t mind dropping that proof then? ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/475 "2022-09-28T20:17:37Z")
Lol Calm down ganker… what’s with everyone claiming other people are uncalm? So much Projection. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/476 "2022-09-28T20:18:24Z")
Oh not on your life. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/477 "2022-09-28T20:23:41Z")
Oh. So you don’t have proof. Got it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/478 "2022-09-28T20:41:44Z")
No he doesn’t. What we have is: Codename Razorback → purchased by Celeru ([bazaar thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/198132/40)) Celeru → purchased by Dejah - Thoris ([bazaar thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/closed/66706/17)) Celeru → sold to Lisa Sinak ([bazaar thread](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/topic/283740/16)) Dejah - Thoris → biomassed ([https://evewho.com/character/2114072723](https://evewho.com/character/2114072723)) One interpretation would be: - new player started the game in 2018 and wanted to advance quickly, so purchased a 2005 character - Celeru wasn’t all that skilled as he went for only a few billion - Not happy with that level, the new player went looking for a more capable character - Purchased Codename Razorback for a lot more - Kept both characters for some time and sock puppeted a little bit: Celeru’s [most replied to and most liked posts](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celeru1) are himself: ![celeru_activity](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/e/c/4ecc4951f61b311cede5a9b9d607a5d319562289.png) We also know it was the same person from the posting style. Both Celeru and Codename use similar and very unusual characters: Celeru: ![celeru_weird_characters](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/d/c/fdc7284d4809caa2daa08b3dc1cca6634fec0adc.png) Codename: ![codename_weird_characters](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/b/e/ebe89e97b3f74a95e82af079d22ceaaf546e5aad.png) - Sold Celeru - Biomassed Dejah - Thoris There are other interpretations, but being a 2003 player has a natural respect that comes with being one of the first. People who claim authority off it, should be able to back that claim up. Just buying 2003 characters isn’t enough (and the claims by new players that they were from 2003 was part of the reason CSM requested the character transfer records to be displayed). There is another character (I think permanently banned from the forum) that used similar characters in some posts that I think may also be linked (and openly admitted to being a new player), but I haven’t found corroborating links yet (but they will be there if it’s the same person). ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/479 "2022-09-28T21:06:28Z")
For me, the immediate red flag was Codename Razorback [spouting T20 conspiracies to this day](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-war-of-new-eden-has-come/377331/48), and yet literally [not knowing the corp involved at all](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/the-great-war-of-new-eden-has-come/377331/51). I’ve bumped into a few 2003 players that, upon seeing me, ask _very_ different questions and have very different kinds of convos because of their _actual_ lived ancient knowledge than his nonsense pretending and tinfoil-hattery. In the geniune case, I often wind up learning some truly ancient Eve oral history. Because there’s not a lot in Eve that had a _12-part history_ by 2004: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/b/31b224836ffaa4a5f837e0250c5f26901b0ddcea.png) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/480 "2022-09-28T21:56:26Z")
Baby jebus Quafe. You guys just straight murdered that dude 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/481 "2022-09-28T22:22:01Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > You just don’t have the depth of knowledge of someone who claims to have been playing since 2003. Lulz. Obvious troll is still a troll. Because we disagree that pulling CONCORD is or isn’t delaying them makes you attack my knowledge of the game? > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > We all did. I’m over 40. I approve this message. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > We also know it was the same person from the posting style. Both Celeru and Codename use similar and very unusual characters: I never denied Celeru. He was an awesome alt. ❤ > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > upon seeing me, ask _very_ different questions I know the answer to those. Thus…I ask different questions. You must be a RL rocket scientist. * * * @Scipio_Artelius you didn’t even compare this chatacter’s DOB to the date I started the game. I never said that Codename Razorback is my main or first character. I hope you can prove that I just started playing last week and that CCP will refund nearly 20 years of subscription fees. That would be great. 😜😜😜 You should’ve done your homework. I’m sure you can link me to a few other accounts…let me know if you need any help. * * * ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/483 "2022-09-28T22:37:00Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > I started the game. I never said that Codename Razorback is my main or first character. So drop the char then 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I have two characters older than this one and I sure as hell would never link them to this guy as I wouldn’t want them catching blowback when I disagree with someone on the forum. Ahh. So a coward as well 😃 Also admitting you know you’re trolling/griefing and wanting to protect your “main”. Interesting 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/484 "2022-09-28T22:38:49Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Celeru wasn’t all that skilled > **[Gila | Celeru | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79567838/)** > > Celeru (K.A.O.S.) lost their Gila in Paara (The Citadel). Final Blow by Iamtheking oftheplebs (El'Miner Appreciation Society) flying in a Tornado. Total Value: 4,702,679,496.32 ISK > **[Capsule | Celeru | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/79567839/)** > > Celeru (K.A.O.S.) lost their Capsule in Paara (The Citadel) Total Value: 2,421,101,883.04 ISK [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=21) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=23)