# One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/604 "2022-09-30T10:44:01Z")
I’m doing great. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/605 "2022-09-30T10:50:52Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Scroll up and read the link to my apology to @Destiny_Corrupted . I don’t care about your apologies. I don’t want or expect any from you. But if you come to this community with the sole intent of changing the core premise of the game into something else entirely, then you are the enemy. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Forcing your play style on someone else and then berating them at every turn is griefing. Not if forcing your play style on someone is the _intent_ (at least in part) of the game. Same reason why boxers don’t get charged for assault every time they step into the ring with each other. There are many games out there where it’s either not allowed to force your play style on others, or the ability to do so is missing entirely. EVE allows you to attack anyone, anywhere, for any reason. If you don’t like that premise, you have many other options. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/606 "2022-09-30T10:55:49Z")
So many off topic posts. I wonder what that could be about? My original post was about adding bounties to criminals. I don’t see how that changes the whole core dynamics of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/607 "2022-09-30T10:57:28Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > I wonder what that could be about? Probably about your inability to follow a logical progression. So anyway, how would these new bounties be different from the old ones? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/608 "2022-09-30T10:58:02Z")
Antigankers are just mad because they are bad at the game, so they want CCP to change the game to make it easier for them. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/610 "2022-09-30T10:58:51Z")
Do you have any other option besides insulting people? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/611 "2022-09-30T11:00:13Z")
I have and there’s no details there, so you arent repeating yourself to explain in what way these new bounties would be any different. How would they compell people to collect them when they werent compelled before? If it was self evident, why have a forum post about it? I dont think you actually have any ideas at all, you just like typing because the clicking of keys entertains you. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/612 "2022-09-30T11:03:19Z")
Apparently antigankers aren’t motivated to antigank. That’s sad! ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/613 "2022-09-30T11:03:21Z")
Refer to NPC bounties and get back to me. I have to go to work. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/614 "2022-09-30T11:04:39Z")
Except these arent NPCs, they fight back, so that not-actual explanation explains nothing. Say hi to Morris for me. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/615 "2022-09-30T11:06:41Z")
If CCP doesn’t stop ganking, and doesn’t reward antigankers, does that imply that CCP actually approves of ganking? 🤔 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/616 "2022-09-30T11:07:55Z")
Surely not. Surely after the better part of 20 years allowing it to happen they MUST be on the verge of banning it and retroactively reimbursing all gank victims. Ofc, if it was unintentional to allow it, then its not the fault of the gankers either, and so all their ships need reimbursed too. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/617 "2022-09-30T11:09:56Z")
One of the best changes you can do for anti ganking is to actually stop npc’s from shooting -10’s. NPC’s are protecting the lazy but also dening combat potential between gankers and anti gankers. Instead of a bounty what about an ANTI GANKER LP STORE, the lp can only be gained by destroying -10 player ship’s, only players with +3 security status can aquire the lp and the lp value will be 1% of the isk destroyed. Anti ganker orginisations can claim systems and provide bonus’s and debuffs to players according to their security status. This in turn attracts mission runners and miners to those systems for extra protection. Warp speed bonus and debuff according to security status. Ship structure/armor/shield hp bonus according to security status. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/618 "2022-09-30T11:27:02Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > One of the best changes you can do for anti ganking is to actually stop npc’s from shooting -10’s. > NPC’s are protecting the lazy but also dening combat potential between gankers and anti gankers. Won’t happen. If the NPCs aren’t shooting the outlaws, then AGs would have to deal with the prospect of actual fights, and there’s a _reason_ why for example pretty much every every active AG group is not eligible for wars. They need the crutch, and without it, they’d be unable to exist at all. > [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > Instead of a bounty what about an ANTI GANKER LP STORE, the lp can only be gained by destroying -10 player ship’s, only players with +3 security status can aquire the lp and the lp value will be 1% of the isk destroyed. It would still be self-farmed by players, so the end result would be that the value of the items in the LP store would drop to almost nothing within a few days, removing the point of the financial incentive for AG players. ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/619 "2022-09-30T11:38:01Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > It would still be self-farmed by players, so the end result would be that the value of the items in the LP store would drop to almost nothing within a few days, removing the point of the financial incentive for AG players. That’s why its 1% of the isk destroyed value so there is a min value, if its overfarmed by the gankers themselves they will drop it to this point where the lp is worth the same value as they are loosing and its not worth them doing. But it would still be worth it at that point for the AG’s to destroy the gankers ships and still make a bit of extra mula off of it. But maybe you are right and this generation of AG’s would not survive in a system like this but maybe a new generation that actually enjoys fights would raise in their place. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/620 "2022-09-30T18:50:59Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Look, I have enough of an education and Real World experience to understand what griefing is. > > You’re obviously profiting from ganking or enjoy griefing people yourself. You know you’re playing a vidya game right? Also, ganking isn’t griefing bruv 😃 > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > If “mining salt” is your primary reason for playing a game then you obviously have a screw loose. It’s classic anti-social behavior and I pity the people that get off on it. > > DOB: 2003.05.10 > > I’m not quitting Eve Online. It’s too great of a game! You’ve provided no proof. You can’t even farm 4s LOL. Also uh, you realize people been mining salt since MUDs right? > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > My original post was about adding bounties to criminals. I don’t see how that changes the whole core dynamics of the game. LOL, you aren’t that good at gas lighting bruv. Don’t try 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/621 "2022-09-30T20:34:12Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > They need the crutch, and without it, they’d be unable to exist at all. Spewing garbage over and over again doesn’t convert it into truth. Are you capable of having a discussion without demeaning your opponent? It only makes your position apear weak and unbalanced. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/622 "2022-09-30T20:42:20Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > ganking isn’t griefing If ganking isn’t griefing - does that mean I am allowed to gank? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/623 "2022-09-30T20:51:23Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > does that mean I am allowed to gank? Yes, because all gankers are anti-social psychopaths and sociopaths who would otherwise be in the street steeling candy from babies or kicking little puppies.So go … _checks notes_ … ~~enjoy playing a video game within the rules~~ ~~play EVE one of the ways it’s intended and specifically developed for~~ ~~bring some risk to highsec that helps to give justification to having any rewards at all for PVE there~~ bully people out of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/624 "2022-09-30T20:55:06Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Spewing garbage over and over again doesn’t convert it into truth. It’s not garbage if it’s the objective truth, no matter how uncomfortable it is for you to hear. None of the AG groups are war-eligible. The reason they aren’t is because they understand that if they were, they’d be unable to operate/exist. If faction navies didn’t attack outlaws, that would create an environment similar to what we have now, with the sole difference being that outlaws still wouldn’t be able to attack AGs proactively. But outlaws would now be able to fly actual combat ships, which would require AGs to engage in actual combat, as opposed to leeching onto killmails of targets already condemned to death by NPCs. And we _all_ know who’d win in that case. Hint: it won’t be the people who take their corporations out of their alliances the moment they get a war declaration from some randos. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=29)