# One Way to Balance High-Security Space đź—ˇ **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/686 "2022-10-01T17:46:45Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > they remove suicide ganking I never said that CCP would “remove ganking”. I said: > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Ganking in HS will end soon. I promise you. To the casual reader, that may seem like the same thing, but it’s not. * * * If you can take a minute and run through this thing again, you should be able to differentiate. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/687 "2022-10-01T17:49:31Z")
@ResonanceOfWar * * * Scared? * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/9/d/79dfa8c7d84b68b9760f3ccee00ebd351f4e7e4d.png) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/688 "2022-10-01T17:55:03Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > remove suicide ganking CCP supports suicide ganking. It’s allowed, and they want me to gank. I asked them in a support ticket, and they said it’s ok. If CCP wants me to stop - all they have to do is ask. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/689 "2022-10-01T18:02:39Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I asked them in a support ticket, and they said it’s ok. Under the current mechanics perhaps… * * * > **[10 Things We Used to Considered OK But Not Anymore](https://www.mandatory.com/living/1132317-10-things-used-considered-ok-not-anymore)** > > Forget about all these things being OK. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/690 "2022-10-01T18:05:04Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > To the casual reader, that may seem like the same thing, but it’s not. Yeah I’m sorry, but comments like ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/8/a/f8a78093d92d025e592164b890a6ea3184ddb173.png) and > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Ganking in HS will end soon. I promise you. made me think you hope daddy CCP will come in and end ganking. Clearly you where talking about something completely different. Is this still about the CONCORD pulling? And you think that will end ganking? It’s like 6s or something, it would just be another nerf, but nothing we can’t adopt too. In fact, prepping systems to get this additional 6s sucks. If that isn’t available that would make ganking ops more expensive but also easier to prep. Which means the targets don’t get an early warning when a ganker preps the system. They will just come out of nowhere now. I would not hold your breath that CCP changes this. But even if they do, it’s completely inconsequential. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/691 "2022-10-01T18:08:14Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > CCP supports suicide ganking. It’s allowed, and they want me to gank. Indeed, it’s actually a first class feature. The whole purpose for CONCORD’s existence is suicide ganking. This isn’t an emergent feature that players figured out. It’s an actual game feature that was planed and put in there the way it works now. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/692 "2022-10-01T18:12:34Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Clearly you where talking about something completely different. I can’t give away my secrets. * * * [Come on Man!](https://youtu.be/n6_Y8NxqIKk) ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/694 "2022-10-01T18:34:59Z")
Why do we need to balance it, actually? Is there something broken with it now? You dying is part of it working as intended. Didn’t you know “HIGH” in highsec stands for “Here Is Ganking Habitat” ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/695 "2022-10-01T18:36:45Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > > remove suicide ganking > > CCP supports suicide ganking. It’s allowed, and they want me to gank. > > I asked them in a support ticket, and they said it’s ok. > > If CCP wants me to stop - all they have to do is ask. They have indicated asking players for isk to not attack them is a scam. So CCP seems to be not on board with the concept that you guys are scamming people out of isk. Although they are not asking you to stop, they are also not giving you a ringing endorsement. I think you engage in a lot of “this equals that” kind of logic. A major cognitive fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/696 "2022-10-01T18:39:18Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > CCP seems to be not on board with the concept that you guys are scamming people out of isk CCP knows that I am killing miners, and demanding they pay rent, just like other alliances do in lowsec, wormholes, and nullsec. CCP said this is allowed. There’s no reason to debate this. I’m doing it every day. If you don’t like it, come try to stop me. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/697 "2022-10-01T18:39:44Z")
Scamming has never been illegal in game terms. Most certainly extortion (which is what it actually is) is not against game rules. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/698 "2022-10-01T18:40:14Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > CCP seems to be not on board with the concept that you guys are scamming people out of isk > > CCP knows that I am killing miners, and demanding they pay rent, just like other alliances do in lowsec, wormholes, and nullsec. CCP said this is allowed. There’s no reason to debate this. I’m doing it every day. If you don’t like it, come try to stop me. yes they know you are doing it and have called it a SCAM. CCP thinks your a SCAMMER. now own your own logic. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/699 "2022-10-01T18:40:46Z")
CCP has never called me a scammer. Regardless, scams are allowed. Even if I were a scammer, it’s part of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/700 "2022-10-01T18:42:26Z")
Yes they are allowed, but CCP does not respect you. You are trash to them. They hate you. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/701 "2022-10-01T18:42:50Z")
CCP loves me. I’m making money for the team. Ship destruction = PROFIT. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/702 "2022-10-01T18:43:56Z")
You are unloved and hated by the designer of this game. Face it. You make players stop playing and you enjoy that idea. They don’t like you or want you. You are a SCAMMER! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/703 "2022-10-01T18:44:37Z")
Christ Id hate it if Hilmar loved me. Id probably make a terrible alt and call gankers scammers on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/704 "2022-10-01T18:45:30Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > You are unloved and hated by the designer of this game. Face it. You make players stop playing and you enjoy that idea. They don’t like you or want you. You are a SCAMMER! You just want to make us cry ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/705 "2022-10-01T18:47:13Z")
Hilmar loves me. I improve player retention. I motivate plebs to swipe their debit card and pay international transaction fees. ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/706 "2022-10-01T18:48:13Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > You make players stop playing Those players were weak of mind and honor. Only the strong survive. Q’apla! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=31) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=33)