# One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/751 "2022-10-01T20:11:49Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > It takes years to understand the game enough to fight high sec gankers. Not according to @Lucas_Kell. It’s low tier game play that anyone can avoid. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/752 "2022-10-01T20:16:22Z")
Due to the lack of incentive, as I pointed out in the original post. No one has been able to present a valid argument that the incentives for anti-ganking even come close to those of ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/753 "2022-10-01T20:21:38Z")
Nothing wrong with ganking or suicide ganking or scamming or hisec /close thread ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/754 "2022-10-01T20:26:46Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > /close thread NO. Do you know how many times I come home from work only to find a ■■■■ post locked before **I** can ■■■■ post? 🤣 It’s like watching TV commercials that try to mislead you into something you don’t want or need. I think a lot of it is funny! Good ■■■■ posting from both sides! Shows how boring the game got. 🤔 Edit; And we all know this will never end. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/755 "2022-10-01T20:43:06Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > o you know how many times I come home from work only to find a â– â– â– â–  post locked before **I** can â– â– â– â–  post? Same, that trraindriver is a quick one ---
**Author:** ![Wilma\_Ship\_Die](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wilma_ship_die/32/336424_2.png) [@Wilma\_Ship\_Die](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wilma_Ship_Die)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/756 "2022-10-01T20:46:42Z")
Our assets are now just pixels in the past… EvE Echo’s get more love these days - Sadly… ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/757 "2022-10-01T20:55:54Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Nothing wrong with ganking or suicide ganking or scamming or hisec > > /close thread Don’t confuse, allowed, with wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/758 "2022-10-01T20:56:47Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Due to the lack of incentive Perhaps. Content is a good thing. I do hope, though, that you are not suggesting something akin to the old-old bounty system, where the popper got the whole thing? There was valid reason that system was replaced. A bounty similar to a rat seems to me that it might motivate some - and fine, go for it - but unlikely many. Risk averseness would outweigh still for most. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > …ganking is highly lucrative Salt is very much more valuable than isk, not all motivations are the same even for the same player. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > I won’t get into all of the advantages that gankers have, as there are too many to list. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/b/9/bb9336adc718a4589336e3310f3b5d1682a86bb3.gif) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/c/c/7cc9d31d8f706f54c3b4c5965bf14671af4d5069.gif) Man, ganking has been nerfed so much! Obviously not as much as some want…and the doomer in me laments probably not as much as it is likely to be…but a lot! If a mark refuses to use things such as D-scan and the f11, that’s on them and doesn’t equal an inherent advantage to ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/759 "2022-10-01T20:57:14Z")
> [@Wilma\_Ship\_Die](#): > > Our assets are now just pixels in the past… > > EvE Echo’s get more love these days - Sadly… ya Eve Echo’s ends the whole concept of alt fleets. That ends a ton of bull in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/760 "2022-10-01T20:58:41Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Why Was I Ganked > > And witness the griefing first hand. > > They invite the victim there and harass them and try to extort money from them. I take it the invitation is one which can be declined? ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/761 "2022-10-01T21:07:54Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Ganking = ISK Faucet Clearyly someone here has no clue about the difference between ISK faucet and ISK sink. It’s amazing that while being completely clueless he has the audacity of stepping into the proscenium and fart so many words in so many posts ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/762 "2022-10-01T21:17:23Z")
Huh no, I just miss read you’re post. If you want to fight I would rather do it in game. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/763 "2022-10-01T21:36:25Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > Clearyly someone here has no clue about the difference between ISK faucet and ISK sink. Not only that, but the only ISK Faucet involved is the insurance payout to the target of the gank. So its an ISK faucet for gank victims. Aside from that, it’s a completely ISK neutral activity. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/764 "2022-10-01T21:36:54Z")
Here’s another way to introduce anti-ganking in hisec. Let players assume the role of concord by buying concord permits for a number of hours, with the same response times even (but not with their invulnerability, of course). Be a bad ass space cop… You can thank me later. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/765 "2022-10-01T21:39:50Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Let players assume the role of concord by buying concord permits for a number of hours I shouldn’t have to pay for if I have to put my own ships at risk. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/766 "2022-10-01T21:40:02Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Let players assume the role of concord by buying concord permits for a number of hours, with the same response times even. I don’t mind that idea. Let characters join CONCORD in Yulai and then be jump portalled to the gank site as part of the CONCORD response. The players won’t be as efficient as CONCORD, but would give them a better sense of being able to overcome the randomness of the gank location that they can’t predict. Would come with jump fatigue too though, but they’d often be able to work that off while slow boating back to Yulai for the next jump. That’d be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/767 "2022-10-01T21:41:40Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > I shouldn’t have to pay for if I have to put my own ships at risk. You buy the intel and the instawarp to action, should be worth something. And don’t afk or you will get ganked as you land, LOL 😛 From a certain twitch show I watched literally an hour ago, apparently the biggest hit hisec ganking ever took was the nerf on insurance payouts. Let the would-be space cops still enjoy their insurance payouts, that should fix it (if they really suck at what they’re doing). ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/768 "2022-10-01T21:42:29Z")
Thinking this over. I like the idea! ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/769 "2022-10-01T21:43:05Z")
I’m still thinking about it myself, I kinda like it, haha. Hell, I might even try to pitch it to @Brisc_Rubal and his merry band of CSM Mr. Brisc, this is the idea to introduce a novel way of anti-ganking in hisec: > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Let players assume the role of concord by buying concord permits for a number of hours, with the same response times even (but not with their invulnerability, of course). > > Be a bad ass space cop… ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/770 "2022-10-01T21:45:35Z")
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