# One Way to Balance High-Security Space šŸ—” **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/771 "2022-10-01T21:48:23Z")
Oh man, I would have to face Aiko! šŸ˜° ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/772 "2022-10-01T21:49:47Z")
Nah, you could try to kill the bad ass space cops, some kind of domino effect, big pile of wrecks in hisec makes for big fun. ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/773 "2022-10-01T21:52:05Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > ā€¦and then be jump portalled to the gank site as part of the CONCORD response. ![Spaceballs Ludicrous Speed Quote - Quotes From Spaceballs. QuotesGram - Sir, we've never gone ...](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/b/e/fbedf0aa8f4db10b93e5729691ab0aa4e4190f62.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/774 "2022-10-01T21:59:32Z")
Q-Ship me up a gankershill class Hauler and Im in! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/775 "2022-10-01T21:59:46Z")
Iā€™ve seen worse ideas. (lucas/jj/razor šŸ¤£ ) At least this one had a fun spin! šŸ¤Ŗ ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/776 "2022-10-01T22:02:31Z")
And it would be true to the spirit of EvE, you can do anything and be anything, while keeping the element of ā€œnowhere is safe (unless _you the player_ make it so)ā€. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/777 "2022-10-01T22:04:30Z")
Unfortunately, it would be farmed. The player base is its own worst enemy. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/778 "2022-10-01T22:11:28Z")
Dunno, with 50% drop rates I fail to see how that would work in the end, even with some level of insurance payouts for the ā€œcopsā€ losing ships. But Iā€™m not a financial wiz. Gankers making their own ā€œanti-gankingā€ response groups would still incur extra costs, and if you make the permits only incur a longer response time for the ā€œrealā€ concord to show up and finish the job, it wouldnā€™t work at all. How do you see it ? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/779 "2022-10-01T22:15:20Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > How do you see it ? šŸ¤” Humans are involved. Thereā€™s got be a way for humans to screw it up. ---
**Author:** ![Azalais\_Selenica](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azalais_selenica/32/354085_2.png) [@Azalais\_Selenica](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azalais_Selenica)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/780 "2022-10-01T22:27:48Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > while keeping the element of ā€œnowhere is safe (unless _you the player_ make it so)ā€. I left for lowsec about a year ago. Its so much safer to mine there you wouldnā€™t believe ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/781 "2022-10-01T22:38:58Z")
> [@Azalais\_Selenica](#): > > Its so much safer to mine there you wouldnā€™t believe If you want some excitement, go join the mining event in the Serthoulde constellation at the moment. Lots of mining and lots of mining ship explosions (and other ship explosions too). Itā€™s great fun right now. ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/782 "2022-10-01T22:58:45Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > > > Laughing, and having fun too! > > but you are on a decline, these new players are on an upward trend and need to be able to trust high sec. Excuse you, donā€™t bring me into this part of the story. Aiko and I havenā€™t even met yet! ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/783 "2022-10-01T23:18:48Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Iā€™m still thinking about it myself, I kinda like it, haha. > > Hell, I might even try to pitch it to @Brisc_Rubal and his merry band of CSM > > Mr. Brisc, this is the idea to introduce a novel way of anti-ganking in hisec: There are plenty of folks anti-ganking out there now. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/784 "2022-10-01T23:28:32Z")
@Wadiest_Yong That means no. šŸ™„ šŸ¤£ ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/785 "2022-10-01T23:31:30Z")
It means too many for his lads or it means he doesnt give a pooh about what happens in high. Mike would have been your best bet Brisc doesnt think anything that doesnt make the game prettier is an improvement. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/786 "2022-10-02T01:32:29Z")
Perhaps if Nulsec Alliances invite more Highsec Corps pilots to join Alliance with them, things could start ot become balanced. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/787 "2022-10-02T01:40:59Z")
Nulsec has their own hs corps to ā€œbalance thingsā€. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/788 "2022-10-02T01:50:06Z")
I think we have too many as it sort of would be good if there were just 4 alliances then each corp falls under one of those. Do you think that will happen with the Faction Wars I would like to be on one side at least. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/789 "2022-10-02T02:11:30Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Perhaps if Nulsec Alliances invite more Highsec Corps pilots to join Alliance with them, things could start ot become balanced. Well, if it was going to be balanced at all, it should be balanced towards more risk (and associated with that, more reward). Looking at it from a value perspective, the MER shows that the total value of PVP driven destruction in highsec is lower than anywhere else (about on par with Abyssal/Pochven value): ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/8/3/d837145337e66babf1065fb40f9fad202423d856.jpeg) However, we can also look at it in terms of the number of ships destroyed in PVP and there also, highsec is on par with abyssal/pochven and wormholes: ![destruction_numbers](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/1/3/313391c552be9fff3ee031b162b20b2eebf7dda1.png) Taking the most recent month: | System Class | Total Losses | Systems | Loss/System | Character Distribution\* | Loss/Character\*\* | | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | --- | | Highsec | 36,048 | 1,192 | 30.2 | 0.75 | 0.24 | | Lowsec | 86,089 | 688 | 126.2 | 0.08 | 5.43 | | Nullsec | 164,214 | 3,321 | 49.4 | 0.13 | 6.32 | | Wormholes | 36,333 | 2,604 | 14.0 | 0.04 | 4.54 | | Abyssal/Pochven | 36,732 | 200 | 183.7 | | | | **Total** | **360,136** | | | | | Notes: \* Character Distribution assumes that the distribution aligns with [previous figures from CCP](https://imgur.com/a/KOdub) \*\* Based on a ā€œmonthly active usersā€ of 200,000 (most recent figures from CCP in 2021 indicated MAU = 300,000, but there has also been a loss of a 1/3rd of average online characters since then) Irrespective of whether those assumptions hold, highsec has the lowest total destruction from pvp, both in terms of value and number of kills. If the assumptions do hold (ie. distribution and MAU estimate), then highsec is safer than any other space by more than an order of magnitude. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/790 "2022-10-02T02:31:46Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > And witness the griefing first hand. > > They invite the victim there and harass them and try to extort money from them. > > Itā€™s pathetic behavior. Except you realize they have a choice to join or not? Also ransoming is a time honored tradition. Aikoā€™s crew keeps their word. In my pirate career, Iā€™ve never dishonored a ransom either. Sadly, CCP killed that profession a long time ago. > [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > No one has been able to present a valid argument that the incentives for anti-ganking even come close to those of ganking. Sure I have. I made a guide. Part of the payout is you get to ā€œfeel goodā€ about doing it. Iā€™m surprised with how strongly you feel, that you donā€™t AG šŸ˜ƒ > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If the assumptions do hold (ie. distribution and MAU estimate), then highsec is safer than any other space by more than an order of magnitude. Ahh. When you just drop straight data and ROFLcopter Lucas and his Vegas strip homeboy into the ground. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=35) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=37)