# One Way to Balance High-Security Space đź—ˇ **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/811 "2022-10-02T14:01:17Z")
> [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](#): > > NPC bounties in the 1-5m range per criminal destroyed I would simply create a -10 alt and: - make sure my home station is the one I’m currently in - board my corvette (if needed) - undock - align to remove immunity - have my main shoot it in a SEBO’d cat (and pod if required) - earn 1-5 million in NPC bounties - dock my -10 alt (or be there already from cloning) - board a corvette (if needed) - undock - align to remove immunity - have my main shoot it in a SEBO’d cat (and pod if required) - earn 1-5 million in NPC bounties - dock my -10 alt (or be there already from cloning) - board a corvette… Sounds like stupid amounts of ISK per hour for no risk. Also, ganking didn’t change. You can try to propose all sorts of patchwork of rules to try to make the idea work and eliminate abuse but it would all be because this idea sucks in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/812 "2022-10-02T14:11:13Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I would simply create a -10 alt You can create an alt at -10? I’ve never seen that option in the character creation process. That’s funny. It would be simple for CCP to set the bounty as a percentage of the ship’s value. Obviously, corvettes have no value, so there would be no bounty. A tech 2 Catalyst on the other hand should fetch at least 2.5 million iskies. I’d start looking in the 1/5 or 20 percentile range. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/814 "2022-10-02T14:19:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > It means too many for his lads or it means he doesnt give a pooh about what happens in high. Mike would have been your best bet > > Brisc doesnt think anything that doesnt make the game prettier is an improvement It means I don’t support bad changes that would lead to more people quitting. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/815 "2022-10-02T14:22:21Z")
> [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](#): > > I’ll take being called @Dracvlad as a compliment, but he’s not me I didnt do that, your name is Dracula’s name as well you know. Nice you assumed so though. What meakes the isk any different? No one did it before l, they wouldnt do it with this. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/816 "2022-10-02T14:23:20Z")
Still be low. Any interaction with another player is pvp. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/817 "2022-10-02T14:24:29Z")
How odd because you didnt give any reasoning to that. Plus your track record says otherwise. ![Screenshot_20221002_152524](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/c/a5c33ad65f45b12b96c9d2195348fa4a029d88c0.jpeg) Oh here we go ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/818 "2022-10-02T14:26:41Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > How odd because you didnt give any reasoning to that. > > Plus your track record says otherwise. We don’t need any more nerfs to people who are actively in space doing things. Ganking has been nerfed into the ground. It’s surprising any of those people still play. This hasn’t led to some kind of renaissance in high sec. And don’t worry, you will be rid of me soon. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/819 "2022-10-02T14:28:22Z")
I can call any overwhelming situation a gank. in fact killboard calls it a gank if in null or high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/820 "2022-10-02T14:29:14Z")
So you dont think more people need things to do. You are in favour of ganking? So where have you been in any of the arguments about it? Absent and useless like all but one of the CSM. And yeah not surprised youll be gone soon. Given the things that have happened in null recently Im guessing everyone who is anyone will be dropping from sight as the law suits start coming in for the activities of some and the shielding them by others. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/821 "2022-10-02T14:30:21Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > > How odd because you didnt give any reasoning to that. > > > > Plus your track record says otherwise. > > We don’t need any more nerfs to people who are actively in space doing things. Ganking has been nerfed into the ground. It’s surprising any of those people still play. This hasn’t led to some kind of renaissance in high sec. > > And don’t worry, you will be rid of me soon. If this is the nerfed state then there is more to come. Why don’t you get your head out of Fountain and come mine in high sec? Do that for several days straight and get ganked by Safety a couple of times and then you can talk. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/822 "2022-10-02T14:31:20Z")
See what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/823 "2022-10-02T14:31:47Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So you dont think more people need things to do. > > You are in favour of ganking? So where have you been in any of the arguments about it? Absent and useless like all but one of the CSM. > > And yeah not surprised youll be gone soon. Given the things that have happened in null recently Im guessing everyone who is anyone will be dropping from sight as the law suits start coming in for the activities of some and the shielding them by others. This game has plenty of things for people to do. The reason people are quitting is because of bad decisions made that have made it harder for people do to the things they liked to do. Yes, I support ganking and I always have. Not sure why this is some kind of revelation. I’ve always said so, whenever asked. I don’t inject myself into every random debate on the forums like you do, but we just did an hour long Meta Show yesterday on ganking. I will be gone soon because I’m term limited. I’m interested to see who you think is the one good CSM this year - I assume you know Mike isn’t on the CSM anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/824 "2022-10-02T14:32:38Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > If this is the nerfed state then there is more to come. Why don’t you get your head out of Fountain and come mine in high sec? Do that for several days straight and get ganked by Safety a couple of times and then you can talk. I would buy a mining permit and mine all day with impunity if I felt like high sec mining, which I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/825 "2022-10-02T14:33:58Z")
No using your influence to make the permit real. For the rest of us the permit is â– â– â– â– â– â– â– â– , no mine without it and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/826 "2022-10-02T14:34:29Z")
Most Moliko, there you have it, official recognition that permits are real and legitimate. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/827 "2022-10-02T14:34:58Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > No using your influence to make the permit real. For the rest of us the permit is ■■■■■■■■, no mine without it and see what happens Mining permits aren’t real? News to me. If I mine it all, I do it in null. Perhaps you should expand your horizons. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/828 "2022-10-02T14:35:35Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Most Moliko, there you have it, official recognition that permits are real and legitimate. I think you should pay a permit to gank, send me, 1b per clone your corp uses. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/829 "2022-10-02T14:35:46Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I’m interested to see who you think is the one good CSM this year - I assume you know Mike isn’t on the CSM anymore. Clearly not then. So no one in the CSM cares about anything but their own patch. Thats just super. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > This game has plenty of things for people to do. Again with the plenty. Like there should be some limit on agency in the game. Seriously wtf is wrong with you. Oh wait I know… > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > we just did an hour long Meta Show yesterday on ganking. If its not you rolling about in adulation and people watching you, you dont care. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/830 "2022-10-02T14:36:15Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > you will be rid of me soon. Good. One less goon to deal with. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I would buy a mining permit Typical politician playing to the crowd. ![Levis-Strauss](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/7/f/17f28c17963c96ae1501160e372ec0e1a76394c5.jpeg) Notice the term “miners”? The dog is the ganker. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/831 "2022-10-02T14:36:48Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > > > No using your influence to make the permit real. For the rest of us the permit is ■■■■■■■■, no mine without it and see what happens > > Mining permits aren’t real? News to me. If I mine it all, I do it in null. Perhaps you should expand your horizons. ok pay your mining permit to me or i will gank you. There you go. You will see how anyone in high sec can gank and you will have to be paying everyone. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=37) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=39)