# One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/914 "2022-10-02T17:55:23Z")
> [@ISD\_Buldath](#): > > huh Brisc is pro-ganking. What reaction would anyone expect from anti-ganking? He’s the one that brought up, “you’ll be rid of me soon enough”. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/915 "2022-10-02T17:55:53Z")
I was actually pointing out your response, but thats allright. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/916 "2022-10-02T17:56:45Z")
fyi Frostpacker will support both sides and likes to see balance ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/917 "2022-10-02T17:57:25Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > likes to see balance Balance is the goal. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/918 "2022-10-02T18:16:02Z")
Ya the Vale becomes the top mining producer just by random happenstance. You actually have to be rational in your rebuttals. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/919 "2022-10-02T18:34:20Z")
“IBTL” @ISD_Buldath Thank you for waiting! ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/920 "2022-10-02T18:36:19Z")
I would like to know where some players get the impression that HS is safe? All the adds that I see say how dangerous the game is. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/921 "2022-10-02T18:54:03Z")
> [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](#): > > Brisc is pro-ganking. What reaction would anyone expect from anti-ganking? I’m pro ganking as well. Always was. Never even questioned it when I started playing or thereafter. My position has been crystal clear in all related threads. As to expectations: a civil dialogue with people on the other side of the aisle. Not a rolling on the floor in a vulgar brawl kind of fashion. And entirely on the side, I voted multiple times for Brisc, and would do so again, just like I voted multiple times for Mike, for the same reason btw: both genuinely have the best interest for the game on their minds. and yeah, thank you @ISD_Buldath to let me squeeze this in ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/922 "2022-10-02T19:02:49Z")
> [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](#): > > Don’t let a few people derailing this thread win by nuking it. Most of the discussion is pretty “on topic”. I think the **One** way to balance high security space has been thoroughly discussed to the point that it’s beating a dead horse. The thread isn’t _multiple_ ways to blah blah blah. Time to shut this thread down. Or merge it in with another “anti-ganking” disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/923 "2022-10-02T19:49:43Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Time to shut this thread down. Why? Are you afraid AG might gain some traction? ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/924 "2022-10-02T19:55:02Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Most Moliko, there you have it, official recognition that permits are real and legitimate. Pointless thou, there are people who only gank people with mining permit’s. “Impunity doesn’t exist” permits are a scam. > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I will be gone soon Sad to see you go Brisc, Effort/time wise you might be one of the few that has dedicated a lot to this game I can’t imagine your frustration with this ungrateful community. There are people that appreciate your efforts bro, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/925 "2022-10-02T19:59:14Z")
I can’t speak to safetie’s approach but code routinely ganked ships with permits. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/926 "2022-10-02T20:02:46Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > there are people who only gank people with mining perm Nonsense. Nobody does that. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/927 "2022-10-02T20:07:58Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Nobody does that. And the Ohio River is dry. ![20221002_150514](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/3/b/63b458e0ff0fc9ce5c11297808f2ec00e7581e2c.jpeg) ![20221002_150433](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/2/4/e243d8c08e8dbbfbccdd713571dba7d672f523a1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/933 "2022-10-02T21:07:35Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > I think you should pay a permit to gank, send me, 1b per clone your corp uses. Thank you. If you had the power to stop her ganking maybe 😃 > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > ok pay your mining permit to me or i will gank you. There you go. You will see how anyone in high sec can gank and you will have to be paying everyone. Anyone can gank in HS if they want to. Welcome to EVE 😃 > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > The gankers are actively trying to kill the game. Why kill a game they love? They are literally playing the game 😃 > [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > Right now mining is being dominated by Fraternity in the Vale. And they are responsible for funding and making the ganking possible by working with safety. They are trying to corner the market. Uh. Yennoe where most ganking happens right? There are plenty places to mine ROFL. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/938 "2022-10-02T22:27:17Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > CCP doesn’t have an issue with AFK play of the game and people should be able to make that choice without having to worry about verifying to the client that they are ATK. Contradict yourself much? > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Any interaction with another player is pvp. Wrong! ver·sus /ˈvərsəs,ˈvərsəz/ _preposition_ 1. against (especially in sports and legal use). “Penn versus Princeton” - as opposed to; in contrast to. “weighing the pros and cons of organic versus inorganic produce” You “interact” with people all of the time without opposing them. Like members of your fleet, unless you’re a fan of AWOX. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not even a little bit true. Lucas, you are correct. I tried ganking with this character and nothing else. It’s so easy I couldn’t bear it. 1.08B ~VS~ 11.09M. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/e/02e875c554b429353c94225d32450c494b2b510b.png) ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/940 "2022-10-02T22:32:02Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > A one vote per actual person system would go a long way to fixing some of the issues. Perhaps, Lucas. I definitely favour such a system. There is also Mandatory Voting, but the movers and shakers in EVE are unlikely to support that because, of course, it would loosen their stranglehold on the game by forcibly enfranchising Highsec - the area of New Eden which has the largest population (of players…?) and the least interest in Nullsec. I suppose you could cite Mandatory Voting (with one player voting only once) as a means of balancing Highsec. If your own well-known views about ganking are generally popular, and the opposing views are truly those of a small but vocal minority, then it shouldn’t be difficult to elect CSM representatives who reflected that position. How interesting! ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/count_vlad_tepes1/32/336485_2.png) [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Count_Vlad_Tepes1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/941 "2022-10-02T22:42:46Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Mandatory Voting I like this, but it would probably end up being all over the board. CCP could put a pop-up in the launcher saying, “You have 2 weeks to cast your vote for CSM” at the beginning of the voting season. Then, just have it count down with a, “You have 3 days to vote for CSM, you will not be allowed to log in until you vote”. But people are lazy and roughly ½ would just point and click the easiest box to get past the temporary block. Also, what if someone takes a break and returns to a “You’re blocked” screen? I guess CCP could exclude anyone that doesn’t log in during the election season. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/942 "2022-10-02T22:44:34Z")
How do you make voting mandatory? I really don’t think that changing the system by which CSM members are elected will change a whole lot, by which I mean I don’t care a whole lot which system is used because I think the results would likely be the same, but even if it were different I think it would just be a different list of people complaining about who controls who gets elected to the CSM. I think the CSM is a novel organization. I like that players have some representation that they have some control over, but I don’t think the CSM is as influential as people imagine. If CCP needs input from certain regions, then they can form focus groups with people who’re based out of those regions and who are easy to work with. CCP always has an option to bend their ear any direction they want, and if they don’t listen to certain regions then they just don’t want to or don’t care. No amount of CSM voting is going to change that. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/943 "2022-10-02T22:49:26Z")
> [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > I think the CSM is a novel organization Perhaps in the gaming world, Qia. It has been known elsewhere for quite a long time (though not, I think, in North America). Iceland itself has a similar approach to Industrial Relations. Or did have; I’m not up on it. You sound cynical! Perhaps ‘cautious’ is a less charged word?! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=42) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=44)