# One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1121 "2022-10-03T11:00:33Z")
I look at what they post, at that moment, and respond according to my position on the subject. Unless I have a long, sordid history with some, in which case I do remember 🙂 And for the rest, well ![200 (13)](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/c/6/2c6c5ebdac9015f1d6201f08aa0dd0b58d3407f2.gif) 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1122 "2022-10-03T11:01:54Z")
Ive been trying to get banned for what feels like years now. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1124 "2022-10-03T11:03:48Z")
![Screenshot_20221003_120328](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/3/9/b398ef350e778e07809b10bd0e3d3395ac91c288.jpeg) Tell it to your friend Brisc, Scotty ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1125 "2022-10-03T11:05:07Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > @Dracvlad is one of the many characters gankers claim is me, because it’s easier for them to claim that all opposition to ganking is masterminded by one single player. The reality is that this is the only character I post with (except one other obvious alt that posted a handful of times just for lols). I don’t think they are serious about that however, would be immensely dumb if they were however… ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1126 "2022-10-03T11:05:53Z")
What an amazing coincidence ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1127 "2022-10-03T11:07:22Z")
I am absolutely certain Dracvlad and Lucas are different people. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1128 "2022-10-03T11:09:23Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, the CSM won’t be able to block or push through 100% of mechanics. And the people they represent don’t matter, of course. Imagine them gone from the game. So would the game be gone. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I even had an intel list somewhere from my miniluv days Eat or be eaten. Intel is valuable to find pressure points. But it’s always for in-game purposes. Strange how deep the rabbit hole goes, right ? Sometimes it even leads to RMT, and I’m sure you know what I’m silently referring to. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Both Hulkageddon and Burn Jita are still possible Again, clueless. How much dps does it take to take down a Hulk in a 0.5 system before concord gets you ? And have you actually tried shooting the monument in Jita ? No, they took that part of the fun away. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It has an impact on new players more than anyone else tralala trololol > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > My positions is that the you should be able to play a sandbox broadly in any way you want, but with a level of fairness enforced by the developers Thank you. And so should everyone else. The fairness is dictated by the developers via New Eden’s setting. Conflict and emotion is the result, conflict because of combat pvp, emotion because that is what we come here to find in a game. Emotions also clash, that’s part of New Eden. Can’t handle the emotions, find an “emotion friendlier” game, perhaps with a space hippie setting and pink ponies. btw, thanks for the info on the scott and drac references. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1129 "2022-10-03T11:16:52Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s more that you’re taking their claims that it affects a significant number of people to mean that it must affect most to be true. Wrong. That’s not what I take at all. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > In reality it’s more about the ratio between ganker and gankee So what is it? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1130 "2022-10-03T11:18:47Z")
> [@Count\_Vlad\_Tepes1](#): > > Morals and character still exist. Bringing real life morals into a video game 🙄 just like that Moist Molly person that wanted to compare it to IRL gun control. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1131 "2022-10-03T11:52:51Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > you people get 100% guaranteed kills. We do ? Meanwhile…back in reality…my 4 ganks so far :- Gank 1 : Failed. Warped in short of target and ended up shooting the wrong one of the two Retrievers. D’oh. No kill…but I still get Concorded and have a kill right on me. Gank 2 : Yay…success ! Kill right on me as well Gank 3 : Yay…success ! Kill right on me as well. Gank 4 : Failed. Target had cloaked alt that took us out. The rotter ! Only a mean, nasty, psychopathic person would bait gankers. Kill right on me as well. I make that 50% Not bad for a noob ganker. Still managed to destroy more ISK worth than was lost. Even the pros do not get 100% Note that I get a kill right on me even if the gank fails. So for the 2 failures in T2 cats that is 24m ISK lost for nothing. So every failed gank is actually a loss, and someone gets a free shot at me back. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1133 "2022-10-03T12:20:34Z")
If morals dont exist, then how can one try to fight against anything? I accept they are a construct but if they are absent then theres no playing the villian? All things are permissable? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1134 "2022-10-03T12:30:26Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > playing the villian You can “play” whatever you want in video games like Eve. Except a Ganker because then that magical line gets crossed and they are Actually Immoral People™. Anonymous anti-ganker alts like me know this is The Truth®. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1135 "2022-10-03T12:31:20Z")
So a villian then? Hang on, I thought you were from an Alliance of villians or did I pick that up wrong? But also apparently you cant, as youll get censored here if you play something that is regarded as naughty. Then again We live in the age where virtues and sins have switched places so I guess all bets are off. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1136 "2022-10-03T12:45:27Z")
No, on the forums I am a firm ardent follower of the God of Parody and his only Son, Satire. (Uneducated heathens mistake it as sarcasm, which is blasphemous). I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about alliance wise, the only Alliance of Villains I know about are all the alliances that aren’t blue to me. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1137 "2022-10-03T12:50:56Z")
Other forms of game play are closer to a 0% chance at least for a while. The fact your first try gave a 50% chance shows how easy it is for a ganker. Did you exploit concord as well as Safety does? That significantly increases their chances to near 100%. When i was receiving Safety training they showed me how to draw concord away and how it makes it easy. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1138 "2022-10-03T12:52:28Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But CODE was formed by a goon and was funded by goons. Certification requested, cause i think i might know more of the truth on that than even you…but im going to ask my friend who was there for confirmation. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1139 "2022-10-03T12:54:03Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > Now why are you not deleting this persons posts? He pretty much says the same thing every single time. Do you? I woke up to 200+ posts this morning, and yours are all exactly the same thing, repeated over and over and over again. Common man. Come up with something new and interesting, if you expect the gankers to, then you need to set the example my salty friend. ---
**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1141 "2022-10-03T12:56:34Z")
That was because one of you gankers were comparing ganking to something stupid. So why not compare ganking to gun control. You have to have some form of control over ganking, It is why CONCORD exists after all. Control. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1142 "2022-10-03T12:58:00Z")
> [@Most\_Moliko](#): > > only because the gankers keep saying the same thing so they get the same response from me. Tit for tat, eh? That’s mature. I guess that’s why I don’t take you very seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2022, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/1143 "2022-10-03T12:58:20Z")
For reference, I am the stupid ganker and this is what I said: > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > I think what is poorly explained about the subject of ganking ‘risk’ is that ‘risk’ is a double ended thing, at least with respect to how I see the word actually used. Take 3 gumball machines as an example. > > Machine #1 always takes a quarter and always gives you a gumball for it. Nobody is going to say you’re risking your quarter here. > > Machine #2 sometimes will take your quarter, but always gives you a gumball. People will say you’re risking your quarter here since you may or may not lose it. > > Machine #3 will always take your quarter, but will only sometimes give you a gumball. Again, people will say you’re risking your quarter because only sometimes will you receive something for it. > > Ganking risk is like machine #3. The cost is paid, but the rewards are not guaranteed. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=49) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999.md?page=51)