# One Way to Balance High-Security Space 🗡 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 24, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999 "2022-09-24T16:27:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/165 "2022-09-25T13:12:28Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Wow. Your math is REALLY bad. it is not, i just have not given you the exact details of how i do that
and I wont either, you are not in my voice comms nor in my alliance for me to even consider doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/166 "2022-09-25T13:41:40Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You and Altara Zemara are also quite naive if you think that big ganking isn’t about profit. I never said it wasn’t. I’ve pointed out that there is _more to it_ than simply the dichotomy of profit or non-profit. For example, ganking can also be about displaying power over a region. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/167 "2022-09-25T13:46:35Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/6/8/c684cebb8cc4d84ba723a2720bdfded2739094d5.png) Did they ever fix this? Last time I tried it just posted my “message” into the thread. > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I have no idea why you said the second half of the reply to me, is it signifigant? IMO, yes. I think people deal with things better when they know about them “up front”. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > That’s the goal. So, your “stated goal” is to make someone else’s gameplay more difficult? What gratification do you derive from this behavior? #NOTJUDGING > [@QuakeGod](#): > > idea of locking out red safety in 1.0/0.9 systems I’m not petitioning for this. Simply lock people out of HS based on their security status. It would take about 2 lines of code. > [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > gank in whichever hs that day whs leads to WH’s can be locked as well. I read that somewhere
 > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > not suggesting CCP should implement an outlaw gate network of sorts that only -10 can use I love ❀ this idea. I would camp the đŸ’© out of said gates. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > CCP wants ganking in Highsec You’re confusing CCP with FalconÂź. You did hear that the game was sold? > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > a great example of Capitalism Redistribution of wealth is not an example of capitalism. > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > i just have not given you the exact details Cool Story Bro
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**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/168 "2022-09-25T13:49:53Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Did they ever fix this? Last time I tried it just posted my “message” into the thread. Well, sort of. For a while it was starting a whole new topic with just your reply in it. If it’s pasting it back into the thread now at least it’s in context. But private messaging is still disabled, and the “You’ve replied 3 times now” option should really be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/169 "2022-09-25T13:53:21Z")
@ISD_Traindriver can you please look at this? ![New User](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/5/b/75b6a5ceeaf044a7855dcb90fb5913b221b4d874.png) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/170 "2022-09-25T14:20:44Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Got it. You want zero consequences for your actions. Ganking miners and haulers is honest work that needs a lot of preparation, skill and careful execution. Meanwhile mining and hauling is basically “push button, wait for reward”. And ag are basically just vultures, just sitting around to profit on the works of others. It’s only right if the gankers remove this leeches from society, they add no value ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/171 "2022-09-25T14:29:53Z")
1. Ganking miners and haulers is honest work that needs a lot of preparation, skill and careful execution. False 1. Meanwhile mining and hauling is basically “push button, wait for reward”. False 1. And ag are basically just vultures, just sitting around to profit on the works of others. False Please explain how AG profits from its efforts. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/c/a/bca86fd64f789c6965e3d7808fac5be7b135d713.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/172 "2022-09-25T14:40:09Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Then feel free to tell me how a “safe conduct” contract currently works in-game. Without relying on the ‘honor’ system for payment. Because EVE, honor
 not a good match. Well one of the parties has to pay advance. If the taker of the contract is -NEPF a well established and known corp, why wouldn’t it work? You are right that the technical support for this kind of contract doesn’t exists, but I disagree with your argument that if there wasn’t such support for courier contracts, that they wouldn’t exists. If no technical support exists and you want some item or service it needs to be done on a reputation basis. The party with lower reputation pays first. There are games and even real life services (internet bazaars) running on this system. Truth is, that no carebear wants to pay for something like this. If he was willing to pay ISKs, he could just as well use courier contract instead - 1mil/jump seems to be enough for random haulers to take my contract pretty much immediately. Any kind of safety contract would be at least that price and AGs would surely want much much more. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You’re not in an alliance, and never have been. You’re in a 5-man corp that misspelled the word “Aliance”. And if you spent 4 months ganking with only less than a bill profit, they can’t be paying you much. When I previously stated I paid X bils to fund my ganking for almost no profit I excluded this program of an alliance I am in. I joined them very recently too. Eitherway my point was that these programs exists on the gankers’ “side” and that if AGs are missing the incentive to do this activity they could and should do this as well. In their case the profit will be higher because, unlike ganking, there are barely no expenses. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > TBH the one who looks greedy, lazy, and wanting to fly around EVE solo here is you. Are you too greedy and lazy to team up with a looter and share your profits with them? LOL. Nobody will do it, not in my case. I already revealed my main, why don’t you look me up on killboard? And if you still won’t understand why it is not gonna happen then maybe keep silent because you clearly don’t understand the issue being discussed. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You and Altara Zemara are also quite naive if you think that big ganking isn’t about profit. It’s not only the profit from the ganks - the big ganking corps have their own industry farms, mining ops and trading business. You are the one who is naive here. There are purely profit based gankers. You can see them when you undock from Jita 4-4 also the Blackflag;'s ganking department in Sivala is purely profit based too. But the other half of the gankers are ganking pretty much anything they find without worrying about the profit. That of course doesn’t mean that they will leave the loot there lol, but the target selection isn’t based on a cargo scanning alt. Honestly, if you go fully personal attack, at least make a research on the persons you are attacking. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/173 "2022-09-25T14:43:43Z")
Miners and ag are basically thieves that steal resources from the lands of our Lord and Saviour, the Supreme Protector and Father of the New Order, James 315 and break the Code. You should be ashamed of yourself for even writing such a thread. Highsec is under the protection of the New Order of Highsec, a democratically elected ruling body and if you don’t like to follow the rules then go to lowsec or something, we don’t care. But stop leeching from society and act like you are owed something. Leech ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/174 "2022-09-25T14:50:33Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Lord and Saviour, the Supreme Protector and Father of the New Order, James 315 I hate to break this to you, but Jimmy died. Also, CCP provides, Jimmy only created delusions. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Highsec is under the protection of the New Order of Highsec, a democratically elected ruling body HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
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**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/175 "2022-09-25T14:54:38Z")
Oh dear, I already broke him ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/176 "2022-09-25T15:20:34Z")
Like I said, delusions. On topic, please. Bring bounties to criminals. Just like NPC bounties. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/177 "2022-09-25T15:21:35Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Please explain how AG profits You can loot Catalyst wrecks. In EvE, risk = reward. If you want more reward, you need to try riskier behaviour, instead of flying an interceptor in Highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/178 "2022-09-25T15:23:17Z")
He wants the reward handed to him by CCP for no work. Basically space communism ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/179 "2022-09-25T15:49:05Z")
Pot, meet kettle. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/180 "2022-09-25T15:55:34Z")
Look at your trust level. If its capsuleer or basic, you are a nub on the forums ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/181 "2022-09-25T16:06:41Z")
Skill points
 If you gank, can’t dock, can’t use gates, can’t log off. Same for the ship carrying the loot. Warp core degrades 'cuz CONCORD has a cumulative negative bonus on agility and warp speed. So you start to feel a little panic because if they catch you - minus 200,000 skill points from the ganker paid to the bounty hunter. How long shall the timer be? One hour? Thirty minutes? Oh yea, Gankers with timers glow like Christmas trees on d-scan. The Ganker is the aggressor but gets to end the confrontation by dying to CONCORD and hiding out in a station (that’s my main beef). Where’s the party in that? Gankers gotta run to stay alive. There’s no suicide in ganking unless you want to give up 300,000 SP. But you only lose 200,000 to the bounty hunter. That way no Ganker will die to an ally in system just to go home. I’m liking this. [edit] Half the skill points from the ganker (if caught) goes to the gankee. That way a ganker ally can’t/won’t suicide the ganker. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/182 "2022-09-25T16:12:52Z")
you on crack? you trying to kill Low Sec too?? ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/183 "2022-09-25T16:14:25Z")
Content. That’s content. High sec would have some action! ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/184 "2022-09-25T16:15:24Z")
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