# Open Letter on the State of Civility on This Forum **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 12, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062 "2024-12-12T23:34:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/41 "2024-12-13T18:25:13Z")
You specifically wrote: > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > It would be swell if others stop causing drama. `others stop causing drama` Next time just say `if everyone stop causing drama` then it won’t sound like you try to blame others while pretending you are not part of the problem yourself. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/42 "2024-12-13T18:26:19Z")
You lost, I won 🙌 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/43 "2024-12-13T18:27:14Z")
Speaking of `wordsalad`s that prove my point. 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/44 "2024-12-13T18:30:22Z")
@Chad_Frostpacker and @Uriel_the_Flame Go sit in the corner until you two are ready to make up and join the circle jerk on the same page. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/45 "2024-12-13T18:31:49Z")
Do you wake up every day with that stick up your ass? Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/46 "2024-12-13T18:33:41Z")
Only if @Uriel_the_Flame stops using wordsald …. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/47 "2024-12-13T18:35:02Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > Only `wordsalad` 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/48 "2024-12-13T18:35:11Z")
Anyway a random though to the subject of this thread: Maybe the local rules and customs of each section of the forum should be taken and enforced more seriously could solve the issue somewhat? As in the roleplay section is strictly for in-character talk though not sure how many actually write there. While C&P is a sort of roleplay and more lenient section for subjects that are going to be by their nature more dramaesque. But the rest of the forums should have minimal drama and the rules should be enforced more strictly. Would this help or it is how it should be already and nobody thinks enforcing the rules would make a difference? Because the problem seems to be that every thread in any section seems to devolve into the same back and forth between the same people (and their newly created alts) and no matter the subject things become trash almost always. The only place I see the rules a bit more enforced is in the new player section and even there still not much better. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/49 "2024-12-13T18:38:11Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > How you conduct yourself significantly shapes this forum and its community, so please post with respect, dignity, I agree and understand your concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/50 "2024-12-13T18:38:37Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > The only place I see the rules a bit more enforced is in the new player section and even there still not much better. Much more enforced now than before. A thread of ganker tears used to have the ISD jumping in to make fun of them. These days… Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/51 "2024-12-13T18:42:35Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > A thread of ganker tears used to have the ISD jumping in to make fun of them. These days… Hope this doesn’t shift into discussion of moderation but the question passed my mind why that is: - is it because the ISD are replaced over time (as in not forcibly but because some retire due to lack of time for example) and the new ones are less against gankig or less into speaking against it - and/or they are required to less participate personally to maintain a more neutral stance as part of their responsibilities - and/or they want to partake less in the potential drama and grew tired themselves of such? ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/52 "2024-12-13T18:46:00Z")
Perhaps start practicing your own message then. I never once caused any drama, I just wanted it to be clear for others not to cause it like the HSGanking permit. On this thread I had not caused drama, only responding to allegation and I too respect the rules of the forum. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/53 "2024-12-13T18:47:32Z")
You still continue your petty selfish drama `wordsalad`. Just saying. 🤭 🥱 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/54 "2024-12-13T18:54:58Z")
Look you Uriel the Enabler Read what @Mr_Epeen had advised and go sit in the corner. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/55 "2024-12-13T18:57:06Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > `wordsalad` Yup’ you can’t stop. Not sure if you realize but just replying so you can show you have no restraint nor self-awareness. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/56 "2024-12-13T18:59:23Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > enforced more seriously I don’t think that’s the right answer. The forums should be like null. Less rules, more freedom of expression. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/57 "2024-12-13T19:02:20Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Less rules, more freedom of expression. Yes but if the expression is just personal attacks and no actual discussion of the subject then you get stuff like the demonstration above regarding the `wordsalad`s, which I keep replying to to be a clear showcase for the subject. So as long as threads devolve into these pointless back and forths the forums will just become more meaningless. Don’t excpect things to improve without enforcement of the rules. Maybe that’s just my view though. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/58 "2024-12-13T19:06:05Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > The forums should be like null. How would that stop the likes of drama mongers from spreading hateful terms about otherCapsuleers vocabulary? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/59 "2024-12-13T19:06:37Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > Do you wake up every day with that stick up your ass? Is that really appropriate? For someone who has spent over a decade whining about how “toxic” EvE is, you seem unable to moderate your own behaviour. Be the change that you want to see. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/60 "2024-12-13T19:09:15Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > These days… 180° > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > How would that stop It wouldn’t, but who cares. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Be the change that you want to see. You first… Mr. Epeen has good character. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062.md?page=4)