# Open Letter on the State of Civility on This Forum **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 12, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062 "2024-12-12T23:34:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/61 "2024-12-13T19:10:23Z")
I think reasonable people can judge you by what you say. It’s not hard to see who is being toxic here. Good luck with all that. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/62 "2024-12-13T19:17:28Z")
Dunno, I kinda disagree a bit… although I don’t think I’ve ever “misbehaved” here, I think it’s a bit too much to attempt any balance between unknown societies, geography or ways of life. But It’s a plausible effort anyways. I come from where there’s a time of the year that everyone agrees to take everything as it is and no one can react in anger to mockery or even disrespect (in todays standards). Which thickens our back’s skin. Calluses grow all over us, so we accept ourselves as a group. We gain an underlying identity that goes beyond recognition. The carnival season in the Caribbean is just that. It is a fundamental part of the fact that we cannot engage in society without accepting each other… it’s a time when we are free to express. But it also is, and more importantly, the reason why we don’t care about stupid. We see seldom of insults in mockery and laugh at each other out of misunderstandings. It makes us happy in many ways. Maybe because by working it out constantly, we finally understood that there would never be a more negative intention that the one we can carry in our ears and far from the words anyone can say. Somehow I suspect that our friendships last longer because of it… but I might be just wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/63 "2024-12-13T19:18:26Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s not hard to see who is being toxic here. I’ve been in countless in-game channels with you over the years and talk about the pot calling the kettle black. \*Including local. ---
**Author:** ![Conference\_Elitest](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/conference_elitest/32/441863_2.png) [@Conference\_Elitest](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Conference_Elitest)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/64 "2024-12-13T19:19:47Z")
Am I wrong for liking the meaningless drama? Waking up brushing my teeth logging in to see who is mad at who for what? I’m sorry guys I truly am but that meaningless tomfoolery that banter is what makes the eve forums a genuine experience for me. I’m sure the old bitter vets would tell you what we see today is tame in comparison to what was out there once. So just breath it in with your coffee. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/65 "2024-12-13T19:21:56Z")
I love your post ❤! ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/66 "2024-12-13T19:26:14Z")
> [@Conference\_Elitest](#): > > Am I wrong for liking the meaningless drama? Liking (and laughing at it), no, I think most people get a good giggle out of all this, probably many people who never even post here read these and have their entertainment out of it. I think the point would be more to restrict the drama to specific sections that are actually somewhat meant for it (like C&P) while other sections should be more clear, restrained and on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/67 "2024-12-13T19:28:31Z")
> [@Conference\_Elitest](#): > > Am I wrong for liking the meaningless drama? No, there’s nothing wrong with that. That’s also not what we are talking about. This conversation is about something other than meaningless drama. For example, with regard to racist comments, I would hope we could all agree that it’s just not appropriate… but obviously there’s a couple people here who don’t agree. Those sorts of comments are actually not part of the game, and they are not meaningless. They have no place in the forums, or in society at all. James and I try to maintain a level of civil decorum, and we encourage others to do likewise. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/68 "2024-12-13T19:34:59Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > For example, with regard to racist comment Please tell me that you’re referring to my comment 🙏 * * * ![Screenshot_20241213_133224_Chrome](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/c/7/9c76ddaf1a1ec86fa58dab7151da73b11e467447.jpeg) * * * ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/69 "2024-12-13T19:36:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > James and I try to maintain a level of civil decorum, and we encourage others to do likewise. James is dead and gone and you’re a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/70 "2024-12-13T19:40:40Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > you’re a hypocrite. …and that is a personal attack; vicious, spiteful and uncalled for. You may argue that a person’s _argument_ or _comment_ appears to lack sincerity, but out-and-out calling them a hypocrite is in poor taste. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/71 "2024-12-13T19:42:11Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > For someone who has spent over a decade whining about how “toxic” EvE is, you seem unable to moderate your own behaviour. Talking to the mirror again, aiky? Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/72 "2024-12-13T19:52:35Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > You may argue that a person’s _argument_ or _comment_ appears to lack sincerity, but… It’s not based on ONE comment. It’s based on years of observation and interaction. Cry more, please. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/73 "2024-12-13T19:56:05Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/5/b/15b98261dfb461b4e6a19e1a88dc67be33979ed7.png) > [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > It’s based on years of observation and interaction. You haven’t played the game long enough to support such conclusions. As a new player, I suggest you take some time to feel your way around the game, and get to know members of the community. Maybe try the Sisters of Eve Arc, and just give it some time. EvE University would be perfect for you. Have fun capsuleer, o7 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/74 "2024-12-13T19:58:23Z")
That’s what you’re going with? Lame. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/75 "2024-12-13T19:59:28Z")
I’m just pointing out that a new player, with only 2 months in the game, is obviously exaggerating when they claim to have years of experience. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/76 "2024-12-13T19:59:46Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Maybe try the Sisters of Eve Arc Hey, @Smarter_ThanU, if that’s ‘The Blood-Stained Stars’, I can help you with Dagon. Just hit me up in-game. Bring your Venture! ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/77 "2024-12-13T19:59:57Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > That’s what you’re going with? One trick pony. 🦄 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/78 "2024-12-13T20:00:59Z")
All I hear is slurp, slurp, slurp. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/79 "2024-12-13T20:03:37Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > One trick pony. Entertain us. Log in with the character who has spent years observing and interacting with Aiko. If you interacted with her, there should be some record, no? Respond in this thread, and let us scrutinise your comment and determine its veracity - or lack thereof. Waiting… ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062/80 "2024-12-13T20:06:38Z")
I promise that, from now on - and for this thread only (should it survive) - I will stick doggedly to the topic and not be lured off on a tangent by well-meaning but misguided _others_. Let’s see how long _that_ lasts… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-on-the-state-of-civility-on-this-forum/471062.md?page=5)