# Open Letter to CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 3, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309 "2020-10-03T19:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/101 "2020-10-05T10:30:48Z")
And no. That the whole point. In reality it’s liek peopel during blackout said " blackut will give more destruction" . And at the end of the day people just stop to play. And ok assume people continue to play (get ready for the mindfuck NOW) : Mining in HS is a lot more secure than mining in other part of space, withc ore will take the most time to mine : tritanium. Ok now just think 5 second : it means the mining time will be reduce in other part of space, so yes they will mine in LS. But in globality they will spend less time in insecure space to mine. Ho sorry i just kill the narrative ? Maybe if they make an analysis before announce a change they will have see it no ? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 10:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/102 "2020-10-05T10:48:41Z")
I think CCP’s analysis is spot on and yours is just a disgruntled view of some farmer that wants to justify his unwillingness to adapt to a change with something that looks vaguely like an “analysis”, but is really just a pile of uninformed opinions. The blackout thing was a bit of a travesty to be honest. They should have never let themselves pressure into turning local on again and just take the loss of farmer trash for the betterment of the game. The farmers would have returned anyway once it would have been clear that this is settled and no amount of crying will change it. Today you can get almost all the minerals in highsec. There is no need for anyone really to go to lowsec to mine. This is a mistake and CCP is fixing it now, which is great. This will create new opportunities for other players once the stock of lowsec minerals is sold off (may take a while) and prices make it worth to go there. With Highsec only having trit and everyone mining there only mining the same thing, the market for trit will be saturated VERY fast. I’m not sure how profitable highsec mining will still be, but who cares. One thing they still have to address is the AFK Orca plague. What we need is either nefing their tank or an all-around healthy buff to suicide ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 10:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/103 "2020-10-05T10:51:07Z")
> [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > From my point of view, what Eve is suffering from is that it is too much sandbox. EVE isn’t sandbox enough, it’s been slowly going more mainstream. Your view point is the view point of the majority of players in general. They’re so used to being told what to do, go to marker pick up quest then go to next marker. At next marker kill 30 lions and then either go to another marker to hand in quest or quest just completes. Also running around completing achievements again being told what to do. You put the average player in a true sandbox and they would get bored because they’re not being told what to do. With a sandbox it’s the communities that make the content with the toys and landscapes (or space) provided. > [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > Makes solid starter level skills so that a new player can freely explore many areas of the game (PvP, Mining, PvE, Scanning, Production, and so on) rather than waiting months for something to fulfill. > > Gives free ships and maybe the resources for all these areas to try out freely, so beginners will have less fear and frustration if they lose something. > > Makes Eve less hardcore, that you are assigned to multiple accounts for almost everything. > > Makes Eve less scalable. > Yes, you will surely lose a lot of SP-Farma accounts and also a lot of Multiboxers. > > But maybe more players who are not masochistic or sadistic will start playing. EVE is from the old school of character building and empire building games, long skill trees slow meaningful progression. Although not so meaningful thanks to PLEX. It’s a style of game not suited to every gamer. > [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > At the moment Eve is like a pool of sharks, botters, scammers and victims, with the latter becoming fewer. So like real life. Only people don’t play the game to live a second shitty life. > Think about it. That’s part of the players creating the content, one thing I do agree with here is that it’s become a bit one-sided. > [@you\_are\_evil](#): > > PS: Maybe the only difference to the RL is that with intelligence and some starting capital you can exist well. But this is not the basic rule for all players and I could give up some of my wealth if it is good for the others. Whereby I might be an exception, **because the more a player has the stingier he becomes and defends with all means his lead over the others**. Actually, the more people have the less they care about it. There are those that see wealth as a symbol of their success so the more the better. But those people are part of a minority. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 10:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/104 "2020-10-05T10:53:51Z")
And you fail again first sentence : " of some farmer that wants to justify his unwillingness to adapt to a change" I m not a miner. The farmers would have returned anyway once it would have been clear that this is settled and no amount of crying will change it. And no, and a lot are not back. And CCP loose 2 millions dollars in 2 month … so fact arze against you. There is no need for anyone really to go to lowsec to mine. Yes, and that a problem, but the answer and execution of answer is bad for the game. With Highsec only having trit and everyone mining there only mining the same thing, the market for trit will be saturated VERY fast. Ok so HS in barge or orca; and limited belt will produce mroe than actual 0.0 and WH who have rorquals fleet ? I m very not sure of that. One thing they still have to address is the AFK Orca plague. And here we go , you ask again to nerf one gameplay. Ok so now imagien you change ore, and you nerf orca, what will happen ? Maybe people will just go to greener pasture … on an other game. And that my whole point we could avoid that by just make change in an other way. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_x5/32/233472_2.png) [@Mr\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_X5)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/105 "2020-10-05T11:02:01Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > What we need is either nefing their tank or an all-around healthy buff to suicide ganking. You sound like CODE. CODE. is a terrorist organization for HS. Are you a terrorist? On a second note: What about the ores in WH-space? The WH-space was designed to be almost self-sufficient… ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/106 "2020-10-05T11:02:03Z")
Haha, yes you are miner No one cares if farmer trash quits really. They are easily replaceable. Most of them leech PLEX from the markets and pay CCP nothing anyway. Anyway. My point still stands. This will lead to more people mining in dangerous areas because the minerals are required and the price will be a good incentive. And since miners are basically the foundation of the PvP foodchain this will lead to more destruction. No one cares if Rorquals are still viable. I’m not asking for nerfs to anyones gameplay btw as AFK mining isn’t actual gameplay. That’s more the absence of gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/107 "2020-10-05T11:03:06Z")
> [@Mr\_X5](#): > > You sound like CODE. > CODE. is a terrorist organization for HS. Are you a terrorist? Yes I am. No, we are more like the democratically elected government officials. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_x5/32/233472_2.png) [@Mr\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_X5)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/108 "2020-10-05T11:07:32Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Yes I am. No, we are more like the democratically elected government officials. Don’t forget about that person who was banned from CODE. You are all just masochists, who hide when the war comes there way… Remember when RON visited last time and you all crawled under a rock. Go crawl and STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/109 "2020-10-05T11:07:45Z")
Ok, so let me propose you to google: Lotka-Volterra Trust me it will explain you a lot of thing. And kill you’re whole argumentation. For afk mining : i agree with you, and you have plenty of other way to change that. Beacause actually this change will not adress that. And no i m not a miner, to be honest i m not sure i have mining barge skill so … ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/110 "2020-10-05T11:14:31Z")
> [@Mr\_X5](#): > > The WH-space was designed to be almost self-sufficient… No it wasnt. I thought this was well known. The fact people were able to live there was not intended when they were implemented. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/111 "2020-10-05T11:17:07Z")
> [@Mr\_X5](#): > > Don’t forget about that person who was banned from CODE. > You are all just masochists, who hide when the war comes there way… Remember when RON visited last time and you all crawled under a rock. Go crawl and STFU. Oh a lot of holy New Order warriors got wrongfully banned over the years. Even our Supreme Protector, Saviour of Highsec, Father of the New Order, James 315 got permabanned but was then un-permabanned again. I’m not sure who RON is though. Since my chars in CODE. are all -10 it doesn’t really matter if there is a wardec or not, so I hardly pay any attention to it. Sorry for not noticing your war 😂 > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > Ok, so let me propose you to google: Lotka-Volterra > Trust me it will explain you a lot of thing. And kill you’re whole argumentation. I duckduckgo’t it and it actually proved my whole argumentation. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > For afk mining : i agree with you, and you have plenty of other way to change that. Beacause actually this change will not adress that. Yes, that’s why I said that there is a nerf to the AFK Orca plague required. > [@Dictateur\_Imperator](#): > > And no i m not a miner, to be honest i m not sure i have mining barge skill so … I’m sure you are. If not on this char then on others and most importantly in your personality. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_x5/32/233472_2.png) [@Mr\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_X5)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/112 "2020-10-05T11:21:52Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Oh a lot of holy New Order warriors got wrongfully banned over the years. Even our Supreme Protector, Saviour of Highsec, Father of the New Order, James 315 got permabanned but was then un-permabanned again. > > I’m not sure who RON is though. Since my chars in CODE. are all -10 it doesn’t really matter if there is a wardec or not, so I hardly pay any attention to it. Sorry for not noticing your war 😂 Ask in your mighty Alliance. For 1 week, no CODE. players were to be seen, I guess they were all mining on their alts. Parasites are not allowed to speak. CODE. = parasites. Just STFU and crawl. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/113 "2020-10-05T11:26:33Z")
Triggered miners are the best… More salt please!!! 🧂 🧂 🧂 ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/114 "2020-10-05T11:31:36Z")
> [@Mr\_X5](#): > > Ask in your mighty Alliance. For 1 week, no CODE. players were to be seen, I guess they were all mining on their alts. Pro tip: almost all chars in CODE. are -10. You don’t need to wardec the alliance to shoot them. That’s also kinda why no one cares about wardecs as it changes basically nothing. And that also means no one of CODE. will walk into your camp or wherever you waited for wartargets to show up, as we simply are busy out there bringing justice to filthy miners. It looks like you just wasted some money 😂 maybe next time ask someone who understands the game first 😂 > [@Mr\_X5](#): > > Parasites are not allowed to speak. CODE. = parasites. Just STFU and crawl. We are heroes to the people of Highsec. People sing songs about us. We are probably the best and most important thing that has ever happened to this game 🕶 But enough about CODE. (although it is my favored topic) and back to the issue at hand, which is the absolutely brilliant changes to ore distribution and OPs tears about it. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/116 "2020-10-05T11:37:42Z")
Miner, calm down! ---
**Author:** ![Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brewlar_kuvakei/32/422694_2.png) [@Brewlar\_Kuvakei](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brewlar_Kuvakei)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/117 "2020-10-05T11:42:04Z")
Holy wall of text batman. 1000 year empires have risen, fallen & been forgotten with out sperging so much. Tl;dr GRRRRR change, I can’t afford a plex. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_x5/32/233472_2.png) [@Mr\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_X5)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/118 "2020-10-05T11:42:41Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > No it wasnt. From what I remember about the WH patch this is how it was advertised. I didn’t find anything that old, so I can’t really sustain my claims and I might be wrong, but I remember that what was missing was the Ice and Mercoxit and the Ice was a necessity if you were putting a POS up. And this is how it was designed so that a minimum interaction between W-space and K-space was maintained. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/119 "2020-10-05T11:47:26Z")
Absolutely not. I was among the first settlers in w-space after it came out in Apocrypha. W-space was intended to be for PvE content where people go into a wormhole shoot some sleepers and then go home again. The fact that people put up POSes and started to settle was never intended and they even discussed if they should switch it off. Luckily they didn’t and only disabled it for the new shattered wormhole systems ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/120 "2020-10-05T11:50:03Z")
> [@Mr\_X5](#): > > You don’t have the right to speak… Did I allow it? Did I say you can stop crawling? STFU and crawl. LOL…very brave behind that keyboard I will say… ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_X5](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_x5/32/233472_2.png) [@Mr\_X5](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_X5)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2020, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309/121 "2020-10-05T11:51:07Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Miner, calm down! I guess you didn’t really understand me… You are CODE. And you say you are proud to be CODE. This downgrades you to a lower level than human taking into account the actions CODE. did and now I’m not speaking only about the suicide ganking which plagues EvE… I’m speaking about streamed actions of your alliance, of people in your alliance of which you are so proud. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/open-letter-to-ccp/271309.md?page=7)