# Orcas should never have been turned into mining vessels **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 8, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526 "2019-10-08T19:08:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/230 "2019-10-12T18:42:47Z")
yeah he was so immersed in organizing a corp BBQ for 1 person he totally forgot the roids ran out lol ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/231 "2019-10-12T18:43:31Z")
he needed to be sure to not forget one alt ! you know, the vegan no gluten no green BBQ+ . ---
**Author:** ![Grumpy\_Goon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grumpy_goon/32/164601_2.png) [@Grumpy\_Goon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grumpy_Goon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/232 "2019-10-12T18:44:06Z")
Okay, it’s possible he’s AFK, my point is we can’t be sure. But what is the issue with someone in some anomaly afk? There are about 20k players online, I maybe interact with 100 max on a daily basis? Even if 10k is sitting somewhere AFK it doesn’t bother me, it gives me an advantage to wreck drones, share ore/ice from under his nose and generally make an advantage. It’s up to the other player to adapt or cut his losses. Either way, It is certainly not up to me to decide how someone else spends their time and money ingame. It’s not that that player is hired by you to entertain you. ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/233 "2019-10-12T18:45:45Z")
me there is no problem being AFK mining hell go AFK in null I don’t care the problem is as the OP stated ORCA is and shouldn’t be a mining ship ---
**Author:** ![Grumpy\_Goon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grumpy_goon/32/164601_2.png) [@Grumpy\_Goon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grumpy_Goon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/234 "2019-10-12T18:45:57Z")
> [@Compo](#): > > BBQ for 1 person You mean he didn’t even invite me in those 10 hours deliberating who he was going to invite? 😢 Now i’m even more grumpy! Or I could be less narcistic and organise a BBQ for EVE Online players near me! ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/235 "2019-10-12T18:46:02Z")
Because you know, it’s _his_ ice and nobody else should outmine him. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/236 "2019-10-12T18:46:30Z")
> [@Compo](#): > > the Orca is NOT a miner, sure if it stops your gaming style then too bad the ORCA Supports Mining ships not replaces them. The orca is a miner. CCP specifically said so. I posted the evidence in this thread already. You keeping insisting it is not meant to be able to mine recently at this point is wilful ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Von\_Roshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/von_roshi/32/164083_2.png) [@Von\_Roshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Von_Roshi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/237 "2019-10-12T18:46:31Z")
I realise my mistake now. I allowed myself to get dragged into this foolish argument of whether or not he is definetly afk. The fact is, it doesn’t matter. He has exactly 20 orcas, enough to put 1 on each roid. Meaning after 2 or so hours he finishes the anomaly. This can be done totally afk. I’m not going to waste any more time with this argument about if he is definetly afk or not. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/238 "2019-10-12T18:47:03Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > You keeping insisting it is not meant to be able to mine recently at this point is wilful ignorance. It’s legacy code !! ---
**Author:** ![Grumpy\_Goon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grumpy_goon/32/164601_2.png) [@Grumpy\_Goon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grumpy_Goon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/239 "2019-10-12T18:47:49Z")
> [@Compo](#): > > ORCA is and shouldn’t be a mining ship I think engineers from DCM and ORE would disagree with you. “The Orca was developed as a joint venture between Outer Ring Excavations and Deep Core Mining Inc as a vessel to help meet the demands of New Eden’s industry and provide a flexible platform from which mining operations can be more easily managed.” Industrial Command Ships bonuses (per skill level): 5% bonus to ship cargo and ore hold capacity 3% bonus to Mining Foreman Burst effect strength and duration 1% bonus to Shield Command Burst effect strength and duration 10% bonus to Drone hitpoints, damage and ore mining yield 10% reduction in Drone ice harvesting cycle time Role Bonus: 100% bonus to Drone ore mining yield 25% reduction in Drone ice harvesting cycle time 100% bonus to Drone damage 400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range 90% reduction to effective distance traveled for jump fatigue • Can use 3 Command Burst modules 250% bonus to Tractor Beam range 100% bonus to Tractor Beam velocity 500% bonus to Survey Scanner range Let me add here that there is also a smaller compareable ship that is also designed to … "The Porpoise is a smaller, more mobile and more affordable mining foreman platform that is perfect for supporting mining operations in dangerous space. It is capable of providing support to its allies through mining foreman bursts, remote shield boosters and survey scanners. The Porpoise also enjoys strong bonuses to mining drones, allowing it to **pull in its own share of the ore in any mining operation.** ’ ---
**Author:** ![Von\_Roshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/von_roshi/32/164083_2.png) [@Von\_Roshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Von_Roshi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/240 "2019-10-12T18:49:16Z")
To be honest the description given clearly says that the orca is a platform for managing mining operations. Nowhere does it say it is a mining ship. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/241 "2019-10-12T18:50:19Z")
> [@Von\_Roshi](#): > > I realise my mistake now. I allowed myself to get dragged into this foolish argument of whether or not he is definetly afk. exactly. It does not matter. However It matters that you can make much money by being AFK. pointing someone is not a good way to do so, especially if you don’t know whether he is afk or not. The best thing in that case, is either to ask him politely (typically by asking something else, in a newbro omega venture) ; OR to do it yourself, and give us your experience. > [@Von\_Roshi](#): > > He has exactly 20 orcas, enough to put 1 on each roid. Meaning after 2 or so hours he finishes the anomaly. How many macks you need for the same result ? ---
**Author:** ![Grumpy\_Goon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grumpy_goon/32/164601_2.png) [@Grumpy\_Goon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grumpy_Goon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/242 "2019-10-12T18:50:39Z")
> [@Von\_Roshi](#): > > Nowhere does it say it is a mining ship. 10% reduction in Drone ice harvesting cycle time Seriously. It’s actually an Ice mining ship. ---
**Author:** ![Compo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/compo/32/167680_2.png) [@Compo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Compo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/243 "2019-10-12T18:51:17Z")
someone who disagrees with you is ignorance no ccp and you are wrong making the Orca a miners goes against CCP mission statement about ships have specific jobs. LIKE THE CARRIER people used it to Haul ccp made it so but changed there minds due to freighters and Haulers. CCP didn’t intend the outcome of millions of AFK orcas they know this Hilmar even said there re-looking at the PROBLEM they inadvertently created. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/244 "2019-10-12T18:52:07Z")
the venture is a mining ship. Therefore the mining barges are not mining ships ? ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/b/6bc985152768ce94c4fd7032e80907df50b254cd.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Grumpy\_Goon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grumpy_goon/32/164601_2.png) [@Grumpy\_Goon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grumpy_Goon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/245 "2019-10-12T18:53:55Z")
> [@Compo](#): > > Hilmar even said there re-looking at the PROBLEM they inadvertently created. You do know Hillmar changed his mind from “Mining is like zen” to “You should take your medication”. He’s trying anything to bring in new players. Also I think a porpoise would be better suited for high and low sec but I guess in the end it’s the players beinginformed by other players to ‘orca it up’. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/246 "2019-10-12T18:54:26Z")
Go and read the three pillars of mining command ships I posted above. It is a miner. CCP made that image. CCP have said it is a miner. ---
**Author:** ![Von\_Roshi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/von_roshi/32/164083_2.png) [@Von\_Roshi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Von_Roshi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/247 "2019-10-12T18:55:43Z")
Perhaps you should read above. You need 80 mackinkaws to afk mine out the same anomaly, to the 20 orcas. The mackinkaws cost significantly more, especially when you consider plex costs and running all those accounts. And if you factor in how much you’re going to get ganked, it’s virtually certain you’ll be losing more isk than you make. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/248 "2019-10-12T18:56:00Z")
The pilot in question has admitted to being AFK. As he’s primarily an ice miner, he doesn’t have to worry about Trigs. ---
**Author:** ![Grumpy\_Goon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grumpy_goon/32/164601_2.png) [@Grumpy\_Goon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grumpy_Goon)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/orcas-should-never-have-been-turned-into-mining-vessels/194526/249 "2019-10-12T18:56:29Z")
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