# Outrage: CONCORD Removes Bloodline Descriptions **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536 "2020-12-09T15:12:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/42 "2021-01-07T14:16:46Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > The Tribes, just like the other three great powers, washes their hands of us and _does not give a damn_ which capsuleer shoots and which capsuleer or what each side is flying. Your claim is contrary to the large chunk of standings I lost, a hard fact you have decided to ignore. Why would all the great powers have this standings system and include us in it, if they didn’t care? And why punish me so hard for this particular pod kill, if Brutor Tribe didn’t care? Obviously they do care and its objectively proven. > [@Karynn\_Denton](#): > > You don’t need bloodline and race blurb in public pilot data. It’s pointless. Since I will be punished hard for podding people of certain bloodlines and races yes I do need the information and I need it fast and I need it easy. Obviously I do need the information and its objectively proven. And anyone who wants to hide their race and bloodline smells like an Amarrian agent. I am proud to be Brutor. Are you ashamed to be Minmatar and seek to hide it? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/43 "2021-01-07T16:13:17Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Your claim is contrary to the large chunk of standings I lost, a hard fact you have decided to ignore. Why would all the great powers have this standings system and include us in it, if they didn’t care? And why punish me so hard for this particular pod kill, if Brutor Tribe didn’t care? Because bureaucracy is bureaucracy. Automated systems firing off when ship transponders register the ship’s destruction. And it works the same— **exactly the same** —across all four empires, CONCORD, and the pirate organizations of New Eden. No variation _at all_. Tell me, do you believe the Brutor Tribe would decide, of their own volition, to handle things _exactly_ as the Amarr do? That the Caldari and Gallente would also stumble upon _exactly_ the same mechanism? Or is it more reasonable to believe that this is just CONCORD’s bureaucracy at work, with Tribal systems interfacing in it and adhering to the standards agreed-upon? If the Brutor Tribe _cared_, they’d have their _own_ system for dealing with such things. That they allow the generic, standardized boilerplate mechanisms to stand is indication that they _don’t_ care. ---
**Author:** ![Karynn\_Denton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karynn_denton/32/468090_2.png) [@Karynn\_Denton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karynn_Denton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/44 "2021-01-07T16:47:13Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Since I will be punished hard for podding people of certain bloodlines and races yes I do need the information and I need it fast and I need it easy. > > Obviously I do need the information and its objectively proven. > > And anyone who wants to hide their race and bloodline smells like an Amarrian agent. Anyone who is selectively podding based on race and bloodline smells like a ■■■■■■■ racist. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/45 "2021-01-07T17:16:44Z")
> [@Karynn\_Denton](#): > > Anyone who is selectively podding based on race and bloodline smells like a ■■■■■■■ racist. You are so deeply confused. The question is WHO NOT to pod. My standings loss is real and can have serious consequences. The system was NOT my idea nor the idea of most capsuleers. But we have to work with it. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Or is it more reasonable to believe that this is just CONCORD’s bureaucracy at work, with Tribal systems interfacing in it and adhering to the standards agreed-upon? Why would CONCORD make a system that punishes inter-tribal fighting more than fighting with the citizens of other empires? It makes zero sense. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/46 "2021-01-07T17:36:42Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Why would CONCORD make a system that punishes inter-tribal fighting more than fighting with the citizens of other empires? It makes zero sense. You mean ‘why would an agency that relies upon the smooth internal functioning of each of its funding empires make a system that punishes internal conflict more than external conflict?’ In part, because CONCORD’s there to channel and direct international hostility into useful channels, like the economic activity and propaganda provided by the warzones. Internal conflict, though, doesn’t give them anything. So they penalize it more. You need to think about things on a larger scale. Edit to add: even if that’s not the ‘why’ it remains the ‘who’. In order to make a strong case that the impetus and interest in the matter is on the part of the Brutor, ie: to say ‘The Brutor Tribe _cares_ about this’, you’ve still got to get over the uniformity aspect. If this isn’t all CONCORD’s rules, then you have to explain why the Brutor and the Amarr settled on the _identical_ system—and the same one as the Fed, the Blooders, the Angels, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/47 "2021-01-07T19:06:45Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You are so deeply confused. The question is WHO NOT to pod. My standings loss is real and can have serious consequences. The system was NOT my idea nor the idea of most capsuleers. But we have to work with it. If they are a threat to you, why does it matter you take a standings hit? If your worried about such things why are you in places they would be hostile in the first place? I don’t like it any better than anyone else but It should be obvious if your in combat pragmatism rules. Shoot me, you die. Simple isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/48 "2021-01-07T19:49:34Z")
Pod everyone, let their ancestors sort them out. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/49 "2021-01-07T19:55:27Z")
This^ ---
**Author:** ![Karynn\_Denton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karynn_denton/32/468090_2.png) [@Karynn\_Denton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karynn_Denton)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/50 "2021-01-07T20:53:36Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You are so deeply confused. Says the naive fella tripping over his words and flailing about over his racial pride. Heee! > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > The question is WHO NOT to pod. Yes, you’re making judgements based on race and bloodline, like a ■■■■■■■ racist. The OP is also unhappy that this data is no longer available for him to make his judgements. He’s a ■■■■■■■ racist too. You bigots are not the most reasonable of folks, so I’ll save myself any more trouble here and leave you to it. ---
**Author:** ![Jesse\_James\_Horn1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jesse_james_horn1/32/374052_2.png) [@Jesse\_James\_Horn1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jesse_James_Horn1)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/51 "2021-01-07T23:01:52Z")
This is just the beginning . The question shouldn’t be i don’t care , what does it matter ? The question is why ? What will be next ? ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/52 "2021-01-08T03:37:19Z")
Well, lets be honest. The bloodline information is here not for you to stare at your bloodline’s pretty name, and not for you to gloat over your enemies, how wrong their bloodline is. It’s for NEW pilots, for inexperienced ones, for those who can’t distinguish Brutor from Jin-Mei, for example. So, instead of measuring how good Mr. Nauplius could recognize certain tribe of Minmatar, lets simply point to CONCORD that a necessary piece of information has disappeared, and they have to fix it. And not just because some murderous maniac will off his property otherwise, but because it’s simply a right thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Dante-Ulyuudh\_Adoulin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dante-ulyuudh_adoulin/32/240372_2.png) [@Dante-Ulyuudh\_Adoulin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dante-Ulyuudh_Adoulin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/53 "2021-01-08T05:16:11Z")
Well Sri Denton, how would a bounty hunter who wishes to hunt Blood raiders? There would be no way to gain the ISK properly without going on a goose chase. Well now that big bounty pirates have uprooted towards Null, it is plainly harder to gain bigger rewards without the big risk. ---
**Author:** ![Dante-Ulyuudh\_Adoulin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dante-ulyuudh_adoulin/32/240372_2.png) [@Dante-Ulyuudh\_Adoulin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dante-Ulyuudh_Adoulin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/54 "2021-01-08T05:18:13Z")
I greatly agree that it’s for the new capsuleers who are wanting a friend withing their own empire or bloodline. That’s how I found the ILF as my starter Corp, working towards freedom for the Intaki people. ---
**Author:** ![Dante-Ulyuudh\_Adoulin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dante-ulyuudh_adoulin/32/240372_2.png) [@Dante-Ulyuudh\_Adoulin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dante-Ulyuudh_Adoulin)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 5:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/55 "2021-01-08T05:20:44Z")
That’s right. This shouldn’t be about who’s the bigger racist or xenophobe. It’s should be about how far will CONCORD push the envelope until it’s too late. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_paradisi_anteovnuecci/32/388691_2.png) [@Uriel\_Paradisi\_Anteovnuecci](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_Paradisi_Anteovnuecci)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/56 "2021-01-08T08:42:36Z")
It saddens me that the bloodline description removal has also rendered the Drifters’ pilots’ information windows void of any information. > _By all appearances and indications the Drifters are members of the Jove race, albeit far removed and with a strangely altered physiology. The high degree of cybernetic modification that Drifters exhibit seems to go hand in hand with an implacable single-mindedness and utter ruthlessness while pursuing their mysterious goals. Whatever their ends may be, the technology at their command unquestionably rivals and perhaps even surpasses that which other Jove have been seen to use._ ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/57 "2021-01-08T14:24:16Z")
> [@Karynn\_Denton](#): > > Yes, you’re making judgements based on race and bloodline, like a ■■■■■■■ racist. Have you chugged a few expired cerebral accelerators lately? The side effects have really caught up with you. I have expressed a wish to pod criminals, which are not a race or bloodline, and not suffer standings losses with my own tribe for it. And when I denigrated the Amarrians, it was not their race nor bloodline I disparaged. It was their CULTURE of SLAVERY that led me to it. Find me an Amarrian who is anti-slavery, not a criminal, not a racist or xenophobe (particularly against the Minmatar) and refuses to take up offensive arms against the Tribes and then you will have an Amarrian I do not wish to kill. And if he is not talking non-stop about religion nor trying to convert me, then than Amarrian could even become a friend. Good luck finding this Amarrian. The quest may take longer than you have life. > [@Karynn\_Denton](#): > > He’s a ■■■■■■■ racist too. He is a typical Amarrian bigot. That you think he and I have anything in common exposes clearly the state of your addled mind. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_Shasta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duke_shasta/32/495942_2.png) [@Duke\_Shasta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duke_Shasta)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/58 "2021-01-08T15:09:20Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Find me an Amarrian who is anti-slavery, not a criminal, not a racist or xenophobe (particularly against the Minmatar) and refuses to take up offensive arms against the Tribes I cannot say that I am anti-slavery, but I will NOT take up arms against the tribes of the Republic > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > And if he is not talking non-stop about religion nor trying to convert me, then than Amarrian could even become a friend. As for religion, I am an atheist and I actually don’t believe in the Amarr religion ---
**Author:** ![Tyrel\_Toov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tyrel_toov/32/387953_2.png) [@Tyrel\_Toov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tyrel_Toov)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/59 "2021-01-08T18:23:36Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Good luck finding this Amarrian. The quest may take longer than you have life. Arisa Elkin. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/60 "2021-01-08T18:43:49Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Find me an Amarrian who is anti-slavery, not a criminal, not a racist or xenophobe (particularly against the Minmatar) and refuses to take up offensive arms against the Tribes @Arsia_Elkin there’s a call for you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/outrage-concord-removes-bloodline-descriptions/284536/61 "2021-01-08T18:44:42Z")
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