# "P I R A T" Will Have To Be Shut Down **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 22, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751 "2018-01-22T21:27:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/102 "2018-01-23T16:51:05Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > I said that botting is bad and it should be punished. What about others that benefited from that botting, or knew it was happening? I’m disregarding the rest of your post. There is nothing cogent there I need to answer to. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/103 "2018-01-23T16:53:46Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > _Just a heads up, Yaosus is a member of Vendetta Mercenary Group who are +10 with PIRAT, they work together a lot._ > > _It is quite well known that many protection money, war deckers false merc groups like this are funded by some sort of sugar daddy and now we know who PIRAT’s one is._ > > Is this proof enough for you? No proof at all, you are reading what you want to read not what I wrote, I was referring to you being in with PIRAT as in allies +10 and that your posts in this thread would be unlikely to be impartial. I never said that you had been paid by PIRAT to fund wars or anything, but you are making me wonder if you have some sort of guilty secret here, it is just a so out of wrack thing to say or think I said. Wow just wow! ---
**Author:** ![gnshadowninja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gnshadowninja/32/160500_2.png) [@gnshadowninja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/gnshadowninja)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/104 "2018-01-23T16:54:15Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Sorry am I supposed to be upset that people hate and react to the fact that you are forcing them to PvP? Grow up, take responsibility for your actions in game and on the forums. This statement wasn’t directed at you, even so i’m unsure as to why I need to ‘Grow up’ for explaining why I disagree with something, I wasn’t expecting an emotional response although it seems I got one. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > There are very good reasons not to fight war deckers, being in bling fitted ships with neutral RR on call is one, going after fast lockers easy GTFO ships is another and add to that simple fact that many of the people you war dec are not able to PvP then what do you expect? I found many players could not be bothered either, you were just not interesting in any shape or form. You say not able, I say not willing. Rest is just excuses. ---
**Author:** ![Yaosus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yaosus/32/414480_2.png) [@Yaosus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yaosus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/105 "2018-01-23T16:55:46Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Yaosus](#): > > > > I said that botting is bad and it should be punished. > > What about others that benefited from that botting, or knew it was happening? CCP did not release the results of the enquiry for you to know how he used the isk, presumably obtain through botting. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/106 "2018-01-23T17:00:37Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > > [@Yaosus](#): > > > > > > I said that botting is bad and it should be punished. > > > > What about others that benefited from that botting, or knew it was happening? > > CCP did not release the results of the enquiry for you to know how he used the isk, presumably obtain through botting. See below: > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What is most important now, is that CCP follows the isk trail, and determines how much of it was from botting, and who was complicit in laundering that isk, and if they also are culpable towards punitive actions. Its clear PIRAT modus operandi, has been blanket wardeccing. What now needs to be investigated, is where did the isk to fund that come from, and is it from botting. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/107 "2018-01-23T17:02:03Z")
> [@gnshadowninja](#): > > This statement wasn’t directed at you, even so i’m unsure as to why I need to ‘Grow up’ for explaining why I disagree with something, I wasn’t expecting an emotional response although it seems I got one. Bad choice of words in terms of grow up, sorry, but hardly emotional on my part and I know it was not aimed at me. You seem to think that any comments on war decs are because people hate you or have it in for you and that is an emotive post on your part, to accuse me of being emotive about it is very funny. You are a hard nosed extortion group, what the hell just get on with it and if people hate you, well they hate you…, that was what I meant by grow up, because why expect another outcome? > [@gnshadowninja](#): > > You say not able, I say not willing. Rest is just excuses. I said not able to **and not willing** , or not interested, no gain for them and so on, lets face it you are just not interesting game play, live with it and you do by blanket war decking… > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its clear PIRAT modus operandi, has been blanket wardeccing. > > What now needs to be investigated, is where did the isk to fund that come from, and is it from botting. This is a very fair question to ask, I would agree with asking that especially in line with the advantages they got from that botting in terms of resources. But let me be quite clear, this is not about attacking all war deckers, just those that use botting, though if one of their members was using a bot to Jita trade for example I would not throw guilty at the entire alliance, that is just plain stupid. > [@Yaosus](#): > > LOL it’s useless to have a normal discussion with this particular lot. Typical forum trolls. But its fun 😃 Whatever makes you feel better. Personally I am exploring the issue and making sure that the posts by people who have been impacted in the way that CCP Falcon detailed do not have their posts obfuscated by the normal diversionary tactics that people pull on these forums. ---
**Author:** ![Yaosus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yaosus/32/414480_2.png) [@Yaosus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yaosus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/108 "2018-01-23T17:08:28Z")
LOL it’s useless to have a normal discussion with this particular lot. Typical forum trolls. But its fun 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/109 "2018-01-23T17:11:45Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > LOL it’s useless to have a normal discussion with this particular lot. Typical forum trolls. This is a misdirection from OP, and PIRAT CEO earning untold trillions over years, and whether that isk was laundered through the corp to sustain their blanket wardec modus operandi, or to pay off others that knew of his botting for their silence. ---
**Author:** ![Yaosus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yaosus/32/414480_2.png) [@Yaosus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yaosus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/110 "2018-01-23T17:14:04Z")
By your way of thinking we should organize a gool ol’ fashion burning at the stake. You are leading a pointless witchhunt. Aside from the part where you are clueless and factless. ---
**Author:** ![Baba\_Ji](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baba_ji/32/36487_2.png) [@Baba\_Ji](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baba_Ji)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/111 "2018-01-23T17:14:32Z")
Blah,blah,blah,denial,deferment,deflection,far removed from the issue. Politic,self interest,and preservation. ⛈ Never mind me. ☂ As you were. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/112 "2018-01-23T17:16:36Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > You are leading a pointless witchhunt. Nope. Its clear that the CEO of PIRAT has been running a botted Nyx fleet for years. Who knows if he has/had other bot fleets elsewhere. This isnt a “witchhunt”, this is the law coming down on criminals, and anyone complicit with them, for illegal conduct. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/113 "2018-01-23T17:17:53Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > By your way of thinking we should organize a gool ol’ fashion burning at the stake. You are leading a pointless witchhunt. Aside from the part where you are clueless and factless. Methinks you want this thread locked, all we need now is Dom to come in and do the @ on a certain dev and off we go. No witch hunt going on here, I have not made any accusation of botting against VMG and nor will I. I just mentioned that some war dec groups were funded by some sugar daddies, I have no actual information on VMG’s funding, I mentioned how the Orphanage got a major part of their funding. Anyway you are so damn defensive… ---
**Author:** ![Yaosus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yaosus/32/414480_2.png) [@Yaosus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yaosus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/114 "2018-01-23T17:19:45Z")
Please explain what software he used to bot? If it is that clear to you 🙂 dumb and dumber. Be smart and wait for CCPs verdict before you start the witch hunt. You can’t call someone a criminal without proof, and your proof is a deduction. You know where to shove it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/115 "2018-01-23T17:23:11Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > Please explain what software he used to bot? ■■■■ ones, or rather, he didnt know how to program them sufficiently, or was too lazy. He failed to account for the possibility of a bubble, and thus didnt initiate an orbit script command, nor did he account for player aggressors in his bot programming. The specifics of how his bot Nyxs where engaged, how they reacted, and where subsequently destroyed one after the other, is proof positive of afk botting. ---
**Author:** ![Yaosus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yaosus/32/414480_2.png) [@Yaosus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yaosus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/116 "2018-01-23T17:24:09Z")
Do tell us more about botting. Looks like you know a lot about it. Maybe CCP should check your toons too? ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/117 "2018-01-23T17:26:23Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > Do tell us more about botting. Looks like you know a lot about it. Maybe CCP should check your toons too? There was an interesting thread on Reddit where someone talked about the bot programs it is likely that Salvas read that, am I guilty of botting because I read it? Seriously mate stop trolling, you are bad at it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/118 "2018-01-23T17:28:04Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > Do tell us more about botting. Looks like you know a lot about it. Maybe CCP should check your toons too? I do know more about it. CCP is welcome to check my toons, Why do you think Ive posted dozens of times in a parallel botting thread to propose how CCP could prevent bots? Wtf is you r agenda, broski. You seem to have lost the plot. Are you trying to claim: 1. ShtirliZZ is innocent of botting? 2. ShtirliZZ is innocent of laundering that isk through PIRAT? 3. That nobody else in PIRAT knew he was doing this? ---
**Author:** ![Yaosus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yaosus/32/414480_2.png) [@Yaosus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yaosus)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/119 "2018-01-23T17:41:36Z")
I claim that you should have the decency to stfu until CCP says something about the case. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/120 "2018-01-23T17:43:25Z")
> [@Yaosus](#): > > I claim that you should have the decency to stfu until CCP says something about the case. Ive read the specifics. I already know it was botting. PS: You should know that CCP will never publicly say anything regarding their actions. ---
**Author:** ![Zamjo\_Enaka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zamjo_enaka/32/243341_2.png) [@Zamjo\_Enaka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zamjo_Enaka)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2018, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751/121 "2018-01-23T18:04:45Z")
As the OP, please give me a moment to be crystal clear in what I am (and not) saying: -I am not saying war decs are bad. I actually feel polar opposite, they are an awesome part of the game. I am saying if illicit funds were used to conduct those wars, punishment should be handed out. CCP will determine this. -I am not saying other HS, NS, Merc corps, or anything other group is botting if they war dec or have large sums of ISK/assets. I’m not quite sure how some read that into my statement, and am bewildered I have to even comment. I am saying ShtirliZZ with P I R A T has botted multiple accounts for a very long period of time making trillions upon trillions of ill gotten ISK. The enormity and length is so stunning and egregious, CCP will be forced to act. The supportive evidence is not conjecture and is substantive to a degree rarely seen in a botting question. CCP will determine the validity of my statement. Like almost every other person that has posted above, I _hate_ botting and those that conduct it while most of us play by the rules we agree to, and in my case, pay for monthly. I find it highly unlike that ShtirliZZ is a whore with a heart of gold and has conducted his operations with the best intentions of Eve in mind. Furthermore, I find it even _more unlikely_ that years of embedded P I R A T leadership participated in the management of their alliance totally unaware. Again, CCP will determine the validity of my statement. I think it’s fair to say, we all anxiously await CCP’s ruling on this matter? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/p-i-r-a-t-will-have-to-be-shut-down/52751.md?page=7)