# Panic Buttons for ships that are targeted for Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 24, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713 "2020-12-24T14:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Natural\_CloneKiller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natural_clonekiller/32/387890_2.png) [@Natural\_CloneKiller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natural_CloneKiller)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/81 "2021-02-02T20:51:12Z")
I’ve done ganking and made nearly 200 bil isk doing so. Its boring but pays well. It needs more skill like I’ve mentioned before. Catalyst and talos are cheap ships relative to the income. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/82 "2021-02-02T20:58:08Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > So you admit you were in error in quoting me. Um no. You were in error claiming that cost was bypassed. It wasn’t. Profit includes cost. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I would applaud you if you could do that more directly, you know…like a man. I don’t rate you highly enough to care what you think of me really. You’re just an idiot as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Dictateur\_Imperator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dictateur_imperator/32/452018_2.png) [@Dictateur\_Imperator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dictateur_Imperator)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/83 "2021-02-03T13:57:05Z")
Just no. Actualy panic and dammage control for assault ship are an error. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/84 "2021-02-03T14:07:49Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Profit includes cost. This is like me saying “beef” and you go on about hamburgers and when corrected you say " But burgers include beef." You are irretreivably lost same as your testicles. And its a common reaction when one cannot keep up to declare other’s idiots to salvage their ego. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/85 "2021-02-03T15:00:36Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > This is like me saying “beef” and you go on about hamburgers and when corrected you say " But burgers include beef." The definition of beef does not include hamburgers. The definition of profit is income _after costs_. You cannot reference profit without acknowledging that there are costs, even if you do not explicitly use the word _cost_ in your statement. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/86 "2021-02-04T07:04:17Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > The definition of beef does not include hamburgers. Are you being intentionally obtuse? The definition of hamburgers does include beef. PYHOOYA ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/87 "2021-02-04T07:49:36Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Are you being intentionally obtuse? > > The definition of hamburgers does include beef. PYHOOYA Let me explain. Beef - hamburgers Profit - cost The definition of profit includes cost. The definition of beef does _not_ include hamburgers. The definition of hamburgers does include beef. See? You’ve accidentally turned them around. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/88 "2021-02-04T13:26:58Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You’ve accidentally turned them around. No I haven’t. If I am talking about beef in general and then you start going off on hamburgers specifically you have changed the topic. The point made was about cost. Yes, profits can cover cost but that was not the point. The point was that ganking can be done so cheaply some people don’t bother looting anything, not even their own wrecks. They don’t profit. They incur a loss each time and the cost is meaningless to them. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/89 "2021-02-04T13:43:56Z")
And yet Lis’ point addressed both: her statement is that ganking _for profit_ is not easy. There is a cost (in ISK and effort) that is not trivial. It has a high risk of no returns due to the randomness of loot drops; it can absolutely cost more to execute a Tornado gank against a hauler than ends up dropping as loot because RNG killed all the valuable loot and it dropped only trash loot. This is especially true if there is only a single stack of high-value loot and a lot of lower-value stacks - only if the high-balue stack drops is the gank a profitable run, and period the gankers are out time and effort as the used alts are now unable to do anything at all for 15 minutes. Gankers will literally spend an hour waiting for a target that has a good balance of high-value loot and low EHP to make the gank _likely_ to make a profit, but it is far from guaranteed. Lis also is addressing _for profit_ ganking exclusively; counterpoints about ganking for fun/salt are not applicable to that argument, as they are different activities. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/90 "2021-02-04T13:48:49Z")
> [@Natural\_CloneKiller](#): > > The fact remains. Ganking is too easy and does not cost much. Ccp does not touch in as most csm are null block focus and null blocks do alot of ganking with side groups. Ccp needs to look at the impact of ganking on player retention. This was the entire post. No mention of profit. > [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Did you ever ganked anyone with profit? Talking about what Lis wrote would be greatly aided by some translating that into ENGLISH. And LIs was replying directly to what I quoted above. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/91 "2021-02-04T13:51:28Z")
But there is mention of cost, and cost is inherent in profit. Also, is it really necessary to bash someone for not having perfect English? Plenty of players are ESL. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/92 "2021-02-04T14:27:43Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > But there is mention of cost, and cost is inherent in profit. And beef is inherent in burgers. Must you keep pushing this in circles? Ganking can be done at very low cost. Can you just conceed that point and stop trying to shift this toward the chance of profit please? We know. > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > Also, is it really necessary to bash someone for not having perfect English? Fair enough. I should not have done that. Fact remains though, I am not sure I understand, particularly since I don’t think the person is a ganker so why would they go gank someone? ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/93 "2021-02-04T14:35:23Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > And beef is inherent in burgers. Must you keep pushing this in circles? Aside from the fact that it is not (since there are veggie burgers): it’s still true that Lis didn’t ignore cost, just referred to it via _implication_ rather than _explicit speech_. ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/94 "2021-02-04T15:14:10Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Fact remains though, I am not sure I understand, particularly since I don’t think the person is a ganker so why would they go gank someone? Just because I’m not ganker right now. Doesn’t mean I never ganked or was part of ganking group ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/95 "2021-02-05T07:12:13Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Just because I’m not ganker right now. Doesn’t mean I never ganked or was part of ganking group Please rewrite your statement from earlier in correct English so I can even understand it. I said I didn’t understand it. Don’t talk at me anymore until you clarify. Its useless. I can’t reply until I understand what you wrote. FFS ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/96 "2021-02-05T08:50:29Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Did you ever ganked anyone **for** profit? Happy? Was it really that hard to understand? > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I can’t reply until I understand what you wrote. Then do everyone here a favor and don’t reply… ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/97 "2021-02-05T16:16:34Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Happy? Was it really that hard to understand? No. Its still wrong. I think you want to say, “Have you ever ganked anyone for profit?” Although “Did you ever gank anyone for profit?” would also be acceptable. And it still seems an odd question to ask. Why not just get straight to your point, if its your point and say that ganking can be profitable? Although even then its weird because the point the person was making was that ganking is usually cheap in cost. If its profitable then cost is zero meaning its even cheaper. How is that a counter-point? You could have just said “Damn right its cheap! Its so cheap you actually gain money if you do it right!” Plus you really confused the issue by mixing up your reply with the point about it not being easy. Its hard to tell if you think he should try ganking to see its not easy or see its profitable, which once again his problem was that it was cheap regardless. Word salad. > [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Then do everyone here a favor and don’t reply… Back at you. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/98 "2021-02-05T16:21:14Z")
> [@Natural\_CloneKiller](#): > > I’ve done ganking and made nearly 200 bil isk doing so. Its boring but pays well. It needs more skill like I’ve mentioned before. Okay. Lets see if [Profile - Scipio\_Artelius - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius) goes after him for saying ganking takes skill like he went after me. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/99 "2021-02-05T17:47:58Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Why not just get straight to your point, if its your point and say that ganking can be profitable? This wasn’t my point. Don’t assume things out of blue or try to put words into my mouth. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > If its profitable then cost is zero meaning its even cheaper. Learn basic math… ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/100 "2021-02-05T18:11:32Z")
> [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > This wasn’t my point. And that is why I said “if”. Do you even have a point? > [@Lis\_Torin](#): > > Learn basic math… Let me put it another way…cost is essentially erased. But this was not the point you were replying to. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713.md?page=6)