# Panic Buttons for ships that are targeted for Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 24, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713 "2020-12-24T14:55:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/141 "2021-02-14T08:39:40Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > You are a broken record of asking for the obviously impossible. So you admit that the case for a change is so weak that proving it is impossible. Ok then. It’s not an impossible standard of proof, plenty of balance issues have been discussed and changes have been made. This one just fails to meet the standards. > Oh for Bob’s sake. If there is less hauling, the price of everything haulting related will go up, including what get’s hauled and gankers pick up from the wreck. And including the costs of gank ships, increasing the cost to gank a freighter. > Useless ranting. And now we reach the point where you whine about being asked to justify the changes you are asking for, and insisting that everyone else prove you wrong. Sorry, but that’s not how it works. You want your idea to be taken seriously, you provide the justification. Until then your idea can go straight into the trash can like every other whine thread about ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/142 "2021-02-14T08:58:27Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > So you admit that the case for a change is so weak that proving it is impossible. Its as weak in evidence as your case for changing nothing. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > And now we reach the point where you whine about being asked to justify the changes you are asking for, and insisting that everyone else prove you wrong. You have zero basis for that claim. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You want your idea to be taken seriously, you provide the justification. I have. You don’t like what I said. Its your opinion vs. mine. Get over it. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It’s not an impossible standard of proof, plenty of balance issues have been discussed and changes have been made. This one just fails to meet the standards. Whatever standards you are talking about are also subject to change and being incorrect. Get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 9:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/143 "2021-02-14T09:04:24Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Its as weak in evidence as your case for changing nothing. Changing nothing is the default which happens unless you prove your case. I’m sorry that you don’t understand the concept of the burden of proof, but that’s how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/144 "2021-02-14T09:06:36Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > unless you prove your case. I already said its impossible to actually do that, just as its also impossible to prove that changing nothing is best. Even CCP does trial and error, because they HAVE TO. Talk will not prove anything. I am done with you here as well because you are just plain deaf and stonewalling. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/145 "2021-02-14T09:06:45Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > if more advantages are added for those who pay attention. Those of us that pay attention don’t need more advantages. We have enough already and successfully haul all over highsec. There’s no need to make the game easier for the lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/146 "2021-02-14T09:11:02Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > There’s no need to make the game easier for the lazy. I already said that need not necessarily happen. For example, every single gate could come with a mandatory pop up IF AP is used. The pop up could appear in random locations on the screen to avoid button pressing devices if that is your concern. And if you choose to berate me (as I know you already did) surely someone can set up their own AP code that works as if someone is there clicking each gate so have a think. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 9:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/147 "2021-02-14T09:11:54Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Those of us that pay attention don’t need more advantages. We have enough already and successfully haul all over highsec. Some disagree. Now we know your opinion. Have a great day. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/148 "2021-02-15T00:37:46Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > For example, every single gate could come with a mandatory pop up IF AP is used. Why would a popup be beneficial is any way to someone who is auto-piloting? Seems like a completely unnecessary thing to propose. > [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Some disagree. Now we know your opinion. Have a great day. Not among those that haul competently. The only ones that disagree are the lazy haulers and white knights. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/149 "2021-02-15T04:27:58Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Not among those that haul competently. No True Scotsman fallacy for you then. Great. We have your opinion again. Thanks. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Seems like a completely unnecessary thing to propose. It was not a proposal. It was an example of a possibility that was designed to quell your guaranteed objection to anything you can find to launch an objection against. I see you found a way to object anyway. Lovely. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/150 "2021-02-15T05:25:20Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I see you found a way to object anyway. Well, stupid suggestions often result in objection. It’s no coincidence. But to humor the idea/suggestion/proposal/whatever word you want to use instead, how would adding a pop up on screen for someone auto-piloting, be beneficial in any way? ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/151 "2021-02-15T06:31:23Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > how would adding a pop up on screen for someone auto-piloting, be beneficial in any way? Nah. I could explain, but we are done here. You keep insisting one word means the same as another and keep throwing around the word stupid even when your stupid mistake is explained to you. Stupid would be to endure your bullship any further. Kindly FO ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/152 "2021-02-15T07:47:17Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Nah. I could explain, I doubt it based on posting history and that response, but I’m an optimist, so I’m sure you could give it a go. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/153 "2021-02-15T07:55:45Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > I doubt it based on posting history and that response, but I’m an optimist, so I’m sure you could give it a go. Could you be a little less obvious with your abusive responses? I never said you would like my explanation since you clearly hate everything except your own tongue. There is just zero point even talking to you and you know it as well as I do. So FO. Just leave me the F alone. Damn. What a pest. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/154 "2021-02-15T07:56:58Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I never said you would like my explanation Even posting one would be a start. ---
**Author:** ![Natural\_CloneKiller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natural_clonekiller/32/387890_2.png) [@Natural\_CloneKiller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natural_CloneKiller)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 10:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/155 "2021-02-16T10:55:44Z")
As a ganker i find the landscape for doing this too easy. I think we all agree that a freighter for instance should have more slots on it than the three low slots it currently has. On a scale…ganking is far too easy. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/156 "2021-02-16T13:05:03Z")
> [@Natural\_CloneKiller](#): > > I think we all agree that a freighter for instance should have more slots on it than the three low slots it currently has. Thats an interesting opinion so I give your post a like. Honestly, I have no opinion on this, so I neither agree nor disagree. I do look forward to reading the responses to that though…fair and honest ones…if they appear. ---
**Author:** ![Lis\_Torin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lis_torin/32/204820_2.png) [@Lis\_Torin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lis_Torin)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/157 "2021-02-16T15:45:00Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > I do look forward to reading the responses to that though…fair and honest ones…if they appear. Slots make no difference. You rarely have ability to fight back so there minimal difference in ganking freighter or BS. Gank happens of screen. Once guns are firing target already dead unless someone makes horrible mistake. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/panic-buttons-for-ships-that-are-targeted-for-ganking/286713/158 "2021-05-17T15:45:06Z")
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