# Petition to the Throne, Imperial Majesty Catiz I **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [October 21, 2019, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789 "2019-10-21T12:07:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/41 "2019-10-22T00:18:30Z")
Lady Llŷr, the secretary’s quote was, “priority order has been drawn up for the full reclaiming of the population of Floseswin IV”. A _full reclaiming_. ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/42 "2019-10-22T00:22:45Z")
The original categorization was absolutely a ‘labour acquisition expedition’. Lady Liliana has the right of it. ---
**Author:** ![Liana\_Gelert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liana_gelert/32/464667_2.png) [@Liana\_Gelert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Liana_Gelert)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/43 "2019-10-22T00:34:11Z")
Even if we allow for Floseswin IV, that is still only one planet out of how many? No other planet was mentioned for Reclaiming, just the ‘labor acquisition expeditions’. ---
**Author:** ![Deitra\_Vess](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/deitra_vess/32/249726_2.png) [@Deitra\_Vess](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Deitra_Vess)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/44 "2019-10-22T00:38:44Z")
And why do they do them? To get slaves. What is their primary goal with enslaving other races? Reclaimation. We allow them to do one planet, they’ll do it to the system. ECT. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 1:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/45 "2019-10-22T01:10:07Z")
Labor acquisition is an appropriate term. Slaves are a labor force. Slaves are held as punishment for perceived ancestral sins, and as part of that punishment they are made to serve the Holder class as a labor force. Conversion and Reclamation are _part_ of that process, but their primary purpose, under traditional Amarr policy and Scripture, is to serve. Not that I’m in agreement with the idea of generational slavery these days, or with this disastrous escalation of the war, but the term ‘labor acquisition force’ does not break with any standing Imperial tradition nor does it imply the labor-so-acquired will not be instructed in the faith in the course of their labor. ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/46 "2019-10-22T01:51:48Z")
I’m fairly sure Lady Liliana objects most to thinking of them as a labor force first. Our command is to cultivate the spirit of man. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/47 "2019-10-22T02:13:10Z")
> [@Constantin\_Baracca](#): > > Our command is to cultivate the spirit of man. And in traditional Amarrian practice that cultivation requires punishing the sin of slaves through conscripted labor. Reclaiming of the spirit emerges _through_ the enduring of hardships and the providing of service. My point is, considering of slaves as a labor force first is standard practice. By tradition, their primary purpose is to serve at the pleasure of the Holders to work off their sin – being converted is a hopeful result but not the primary goal in most cases. This is _why_ slaves are almost never emancipated simply for converting. Most slaves go their whole lives already faithful, and often even more faithful than their masters. If you’re not okay with that viewpoint, which you shouldn’t be… well, you know what I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![Constantin\_Baracca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/constantin_baracca/32/170074_2.png) [@Constantin\_Baracca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Constantin_Baracca)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/48 "2019-10-22T02:30:22Z")
Well, far be it from me to disappoint you. You’re free to go about as you were, as you see fit. ---
**Author:** ![Vaari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vaari/32/373419_2.png) [@Vaari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vaari)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 5:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/49 "2019-10-22T05:34:39Z")
My prestigious signature added ---
**Author:** ![Orochimaru\_Angel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/orochimaru_angel/32/368310_2.png) [@Orochimaru\_Angel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Orochimaru_Angel)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/50 "2019-10-22T08:30:00Z")
If this is another genius way of getting me to take the throne then i will for the second time say, I’ll accept. The amarr is my call. Orochimaru Angel Ceo and humanitarian of all who uses clone facilities, converted sansha slave and the soul to guide new eden into the future we all desire. Power to the people!!! ---
**Author:** ![Jen\_Roku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jen_roku/32/397361_2.png) [@Jen\_Roku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jen_Roku)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/51 "2019-10-22T11:52:35Z")
It was wise of the Directrix to attain our signatures before publishing this petition. ---
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/52 "2019-10-22T13:32:05Z")
I don’t know if that’s how you meant it but that sounded rather sarcastic… ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/53 "2019-10-22T14:37:17Z")
It might, Ms. des Larmes, but if you look above you’ll find her name at #36. ---
**Author:** ![Jen\_Roku](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jen_roku/32/397361_2.png) [@Jen\_Roku](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jen_Roku)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/54 "2019-10-22T16:11:13Z")
I was merely pointing out that it saved whoever the Emperor Family punishes with the task of reading the IGS the burden of wading through the arguments of the great prophet. ---
**Author:** ![Astaire\_Quatrevaux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/astaire_quatrevaux/32/278706_2.png) [@Astaire\_Quatrevaux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Astaire_Quatrevaux)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/55 "2019-10-22T16:49:09Z")
Haven’t you heard, Jen? We’re all great prophets here. (And this is sarcasm.) ---
**Author:** ![Eclypt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eclypt/32/272994_2.png) [@Eclypt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eclypt)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/56 "2019-10-22T22:11:41Z")
> [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > Re: [Statement](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/militia-corruption-breaking-the-deafening-silence-on-dirty-deals/196136/85) “Additionally, His Grace has seen fit to commission labour acquisition expeditions to each and every system in the Upper Rebel Provinces currently held by the forces of the 24th Imperial Crusade. All labour acquisition specialist groups will be accompanied by troops drawn from the Shining Flame company, the Red and Silver Hand company, and the Order of St. Tetrimon. A priority order has been drawn up for the full reclaiming of the population of Floseswin IV.” > [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > If escalations of this kind are allowed to happen and to stand, it will set a dangerous precedent > [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > We, and those who sign along with us below, appeal to the Empress and the Privy Council to take action against these plans before they do irreparable harm to the Empire I may only be a humble border-Khanid of moderate means, but I do find myself wandering at what point gracious concern switches over to arrogant doubting. Petitioning the Empress herself to countermand the decree of an Heir seems to me to be entirely beyond the mandate of the Capsuleer. ---
**Author:** ![Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunarisse_aspenstar/32/478487_2.png) [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunarisse_Aspenstar)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/57 "2019-10-22T22:49:02Z")
In light of the limited information to date on the whether the Pax e Kilizhi Do is actually in conflict with the Pax Amarria. we have respectfully and humbly sought guidance following the only channel expressly available to us through the Capsuleer Emissary to ensure that this type of action - generally speaking, regardless of who orders it - is in accord with the Empress’s Will and that she and the Privy Council have had a chance to examine all the consequences, particularly inasmuch we as loyalist capsuleers may be called to assist (clearly those in the 24th IC have already been so called) and, as follows, also called to account if we do. Such Petition was not made lightly. nor was it made with any intent to be arrogantly repetitive or presumptuous in the use of the mechanism. ---
**Author:** ![Eclypt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eclypt/32/272994_2.png) [@Eclypt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eclypt)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2019, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/58 "2019-10-22T23:03:22Z")
A reasoned response. I await the Imperial reply with interest. ---
**Author:** ![Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicoletta_mithra/32/378065_2.png) [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicoletta_Mithra)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/59 "2019-10-23T16:41:37Z")
> [@Lunarisse\_Aspenstar](#): > > In light of the limited information to date on the whether the Pax e Kilizhi Do is actually in conflict with the Pax Amarria. We have respectfully and humbly sought guidance […] Very well said, Directix. ---
**Author:** ![Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aldrith_shutaq/32/378618_2.png) [@Aldrith\_Shutaq](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aldrith_Shutaq)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789/60 "2019-10-23T16:47:49Z")
> [@Nicoletta\_Mithra](#): > > Very well said, Directix. Better than the original wording, at least. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/petition-to-the-throne-imperial-majesty-catiz-i/196789.md?page=4)