# Photon UI - Now in Beta (Opt-Out) **URL:** \ **Category:** Photon UI\ **Tags:** feedback, release, official\ **Created:** [October 11, 2022, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857 "2022-10-11T11:03:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![FC\_Convict](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fc_convict/32/451520_2.png) [@FC\_Convict](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FC_Convict)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/602 "2023-02-15T09:07:48Z")
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**Author:** ![Most\_Moliko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/most_moliko/32/378698_2.png) [@Most\_Moliko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Most_Moliko)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/603 "2023-02-15T09:42:57Z")
You know when CCP talks about that magic moment when people get blown up and get one major loss and they have to decide if they are going to play the game through loss. Well this UI is also a magic moment. It’s the most blunt evidence of the developers not listening and the most painful abuse of developer power. They are pushing a mobile UI on us because they want to turn the game into eve echoes. This is also a magic moment. The developer has no respect for players time and money. That much is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![TiliMili\_Tryam](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tilimili_tryam/32/371011_2.png) [@TiliMili\_Tryam](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TiliMili_Tryam)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/604 "2023-02-15T10:18:59Z")
ANd you are calling this “compact”. Hope team lead responsable will loose bonus ![fleet_finder](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/8/0/a80d5315e219c0007172a86ec72208dd60727282.png) ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/605 "2023-02-15T11:03:20Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The ones that are always excluded from the “no transparency” option: the ribbon, and any extra info panels on the left side of the screen (autopilot, event, daily, mission info, etc etc). Any possibility to give them their own “no-transparency” option ? Ribbon received a nice, opaque background in yesterday’s update. Thank you, ccp !! ---
**Author:** ![PINK\_SCOPE](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pink_scope/32/473456_2.png) [@PINK\_SCOPE](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/PINK_SCOPE)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/606 "2023-02-15T11:37:03Z")
So most people summed it up really nicely… this UI feels insanely large, heavy, gaudy and wastes a lot more space than the old one. Playing on a laptop I feel the strain trying to actually read any of the information. Drone window is a nightmare all around - D-scanning requires you to have a heart surgeon diploma with how small they made the sliders, same thing goes for the probe window. I actually had to sit there for a few minutes searching for the damn retract probe button which they made small than the recover probes button for some reason… Colors are nice and dandy but it’s so damn contrasted you have to look away every few seconds or risk permanent eye damage. Chat blinkers are also super wierd - I don’t usually realise I have a message unless I specifically look for the damned small orange lines. CCP kept the old map as an option - I sincerely hope they do the same with old UI… At the very LEAST keep it as an option CCP how hard can that be ! I read a lot of the posts dating from October 2022 and I still have the same things to say… It’s like you didn’t listen to ANY of the feedback, almost all flaws listed in that time are STILL present. Bring it back. ---
**Author:** ![Propidus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/propidus/32/354926_2.png) [@Propidus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Propidus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/607 "2023-02-15T11:47:46Z")
Фотонный интерфейс откровенное дерьмо! Надеюсь онлайн в игре упадёт очень сильно и разработчики поймут свою ошибку и перестанут насильно втюхивать выдумки наркоманов. Верните возможность переключаться между интерфейсами. ---
**Author:** ![Okuda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/okuda/32/394454_2.png) [@Okuda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Okuda)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/608 "2023-02-15T12:09:18Z")
The survey scanner window on my little screen: ![scanner](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/3/1/9311d60dfade5b74ff38c97b70d812dc700a43cf.png) ![scan 2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/0/a/50a5dea5b1acce4cce075ddd46c3a73ab8a2a73d.png) no comment ---
**Author:** ![Adalyn\_Risalo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/adalyn_risalo/32/419386_2.png) [@Adalyn\_Risalo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Adalyn_Risalo)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/609 "2023-02-15T12:13:40Z")
We have an option to keep an old map. Why then we cannot keep old UI? That just makes no sence. I personally quite enjoy photon on big resolutions, but for last few month I am forced to play on 1600x900 and its just bad. But the main flaw is setting a limit on how many symbols players can type in overview bar “Name” field. Lots of players used it to set text formatting (Font size, color, etc) and now devs just remove it without providing any other options. I (And I believe, many others) want to keep this option, want to have more flexibility with UI settings. Please revert the changes you made and spend more time polishing it before another rollout. ---
**Author:** ![Stanley\_Ray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stanley_ray/32/354920_2.png) [@Stanley\_Ray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stanley_Ray)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/610 "2023-02-15T12:40:13Z")
Turn back the UI and colors! Stop killing EVE! Dear Capsuleers, I urge everyone to join the Anti Photon UI EVE Global Strike! Cancel the Omega subscription unless they let us choose whenever we want to use old or new UI as done with the map! Demand your right to turn UI and colors back! No taxation without representation! ---
**Author:** ![Mira\_Accuria](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mira_accuria/32/446673_2.png) [@Mira\_Accuria](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mira_Accuria)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/611 "2023-02-15T20:47:43Z")
Turn back security colors! Stop killing EVE! ---
**Author:** ![Bonnie\_Sayers](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bonnie_sayers/32/371443_2.png) [@Bonnie\_Sayers](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bonnie_Sayers)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/612 "2023-02-15T21:00:21Z")
Horrible, I really don’t want to log in anymore. Forced to spend my whole evening trying to get my head round changes, that were perfectly fine before ---
**Author:** ![RED-RUSH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/red-rush/32/384482_2.png) [@RED-RUSH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/RED-RUSH)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/613 "2023-02-16T11:47:15Z")
> [@Sparrow\_Walkabout](#): > > I’ve cancelled subs. Forcing a worse UI on users, when devs receive such robust, practical, but negative feedback, is the final straw. Same here. Unsub 5 accounts. Ciao ccp. They won’t get any more money from me ever will from me, unless and until they come to their senses. Go impose unworkable crap and turn on the dictatorship by depriving us of our right to choose on someone else. 🤬 ---
**Author:** ![Yuki\_Kuma](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuki_kuma/32/354832_2.png) [@Yuki\_Kuma](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuki_Kuma)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/614 "2023-02-16T15:43:07Z")
photon - HORRIBLE! RETURN AS IT WAS!!! ---
**Author:** ![Polly\_Grey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/polly_grey/32/355190_2.png) [@Polly\_Grey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Polly_Grey)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/615 "2023-02-16T20:22:57Z")
Will be hilarious to see player numbers going down even more. Most will just leave quietly without even complaining. Guess why the number of logged in players is not shown in the Eve-launcher any more… I can not opt out from Photon any more. But I can opt out from Eve-Online 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_alt5\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/governor_alt5_lee/32/355090_2.png) [@Governor\_alt5\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Governor_alt5_Lee)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/617 "2023-02-17T14:02:37Z")
Personally, I found it is a horrible UI to play with… Please add option to use old UI ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2023, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/618 "2023-02-18T10:28:42Z")
> [@Version 21.02 - Known Issues](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/67): > > [grafik] More scroll bar padding issues causing unreasonable obstruction of information in bracket lists. You would think that CCP had fixed this for all scroll bars when they worked on the vertical scroll bars, but I guess comprehensiveness is not one of CCP’s fortes. ---
**Author:** ![Natasha-montada\_Alabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natasha-montada_alabel/32/358090_2.png) [@Natasha-montada\_Alabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natasha-montada_Alabel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/619 "2023-02-19T06:24:48Z")
Yes 100% correct and I must add that the new ui is unhealthy. If i play more than 15 minutes whith the new “bad chinesse smartphone 10 years old UI”, i´ve got a terrible headache and a pain in my tearful eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2023, 6:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/620 "2023-02-19T06:45:22Z")
> [@Version 21.02 - Known Issues](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/74): > > [grafik] When you use the mouse keys to go back and forth between Show Info windows, the small arrows are being highlighted with a light box. This light box is cut off by the window header (clearly visible by the narrower top side compared to the larger bottom side of the field). > [@Version 21.02 - Known Issues](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/71): > > Just noticed in the watch list that drag-moving a char onto the window or around in the window does not have a visible row indicator line any more like the old UI had. This makes it much harder to see where a character goes in the list. This is especially true since moving a char around sometimes (oftentimes) does not move the char at all where you think it would. I moved a char in a WL to the bottom edge of the char below it but when I released the click, it stayed above the char below it. I gu… > [@Version 21.02 - Known Issues](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/63): > > Photon [grafik] Old UI [grafik] The list in the old UI was much better readable and comprehensible because row headers were not the same color, brightness and size as the actual info text. #PhotonThings > [@Version 21.02 - Known Issues](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/79): > > Who knows. Looks like he had strong opinions and that’s not exactly welcomed here. Anyway… [grafik] So, after checking more things since [this post](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/74) I found the above. It’s the time period of a char in a corp that you see next to the char portrait. This makes me believe that Photon has a really unusal flaw in its conception. I don’t know any other UI that puts window frames as a layer over the rest of the window like one of these multi-layer light boxes without preventing text, UI elements, hi… ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2023, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/621 "2023-02-20T20:32:16Z")
![grafik](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/6/9/e6917f7dff990df99cf5cb9a615d088696772839.png) Why can I make all the buttons white by middle-mouse click on them? What is the point of this white highlight in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857/622 "2023-02-21T17:10:51Z")
> [@Version 21.02 - Known Issues](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/88): > > [grafik] The dev blog Swift pointed out more consistency with Photon. This dialog window to deposit cash in the corp wallet disagrees with that assessment. The division selection drop down does not follow the Photon style at all. On a second attempt to use this window, the drop-down followed the normal design style, which means that this fancy drop down menu style can break under arcane circumstances. Great foundation of the future of the UI. > [@Version 21.02 - Known Issues](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/version-21-02-known-issues/395381/89): > > [grafik] Yet another case of inconsistency and bad design quality related to lacking borders between UI areas that I mentioned further up with Anom notifications. Where other UI elements have too much padding, lots have too little or none at all. Like here in the Corp office tab where the buttons melt into each other, creating a bad, unpolished looking and cheap experience. Another example of Photon’s real experience going full-on against what the dev blog claims its goals are. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857.md?page=29) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/photon-ui-now-in-beta-opt-out/379857.md?page=31)