# Pi market is dead **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 23, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430 "2020-11-23T21:11:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/21 "2020-11-23T22:19:12Z")
Except the guys with clubs that might come visit you if you didn’t get with the plan? ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/22 "2020-11-23T22:20:49Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Except the guys with clubs that might come visit you if you didn’t get with the plan Never happened. They just gathered annually and set prices they wanted and agreed not to undercut each other. Enough participated they controlled at set the price. Northern Military governed the south during most of its capturing the markets mentioned. There was zero room for violence in those conditions and by the 1880s there was zero need. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/23 "2020-11-23T22:27:02Z")
There is ALWAYS room for violence. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/24 "2020-11-23T22:29:08Z")
They didnt have to exercise it. They already just lost the civil war haha. Read _Southern Capitalists_ if more interested. Fascinating following of how southern elites started, never fought in, and became wealthier after the civil war. Also an illustration of everything wrong with American South lol. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/25 "2020-11-23T22:30:40Z")
People are always wealthier after they lose a war - because whoever won the war cancels everybody’s debt (except for the bankers and people like them). ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/26 "2020-11-23T22:41:36Z")
No that wasnt the reason. It was because ending slavery meant now the labor market for farm labor included whites and blacks. And slave owners were no longer responsible for the welfare of their slaves. So there was a general impoverishment of the labor market and a substantial decline of the standard of living of southern farm workers. The southern planters kept the difference for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/27 "2020-11-23T22:55:22Z")
Or so the history storyteller told you. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/28 "2020-11-23T22:59:19Z")
US Economics is pretty well documented. Avid note takers. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/29 "2020-11-23T23:03:59Z")
People who write history books always have an agenda. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/30 "2020-11-23T23:05:35Z")
Not quite. [Germany Set to Make Final World War I Reparation Payment - ABC News (go.com)](https://abcnews.go.com/International/germany-makes-final-reparation-payments-world-war/story?id=11755920#:~:text=Sept.,that%20shaped%20the%2020th%20century.) ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/31 "2020-11-23T23:06:41Z")
Yeah … WWI was a bit of an exception. But I was attempting to be succinct. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/32 "2020-11-23T23:08:03Z")
PI still pays for my sub. ---
**Author:** ![Alistair\_Atreides](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alistair_atreides/32/267403_2.png) [@Alistair\_Atreides](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alistair_Atreides)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/33 "2020-11-23T23:08:54Z")
It could make a lot more though, Gaius ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/34 "2020-11-23T23:09:10Z")
I set up a PI planet once. I think I made semiconductors. It was better than Project Discovery, but not by much. ---
**Author:** ![Gaius\_Mileghere](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gaius_mileghere/32/258417_2.png) [@Gaius\_Mileghere](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gaius_Mileghere)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/35 "2020-11-23T23:10:45Z")
if I could source enough P1 I could make 6bill in P2 per month, as I am currently set up. Right now I’m able to get enough to pay my sub and buy minerals for ammo, just off the PI. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/36 "2020-11-24T04:19:52Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > Robotics is easily the most versatile Pi product, and look at this ■■■■■■■ disaster. A _DISASTER_ really…and the people still making Pi are just dumb. Taking a 25% pay cut because they’re too dumb to unionize/cosort. My bad. I went fron buyer to maker 😟 Still passive income that makes a profit. So why not? ---
**Author:** ![Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abigail_rocker_ronuken/32/242092_2.png) [@Abigail\_Rocker\_Ronuken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abigail_Rocker_Ronuken)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/37 "2020-11-24T04:34:49Z")
4 x Enriched Uranium 22 x Oxygen 4 x Mechanical Parts 9 x Coolant 1 x Robotics These are the PI that take for 40 fuel block, since the structure update that made them easier to kill, and the ice nerf structures are either being popped or taken down therefore less need for fuel blocks and less need for fuel block equals to less need for PI. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/38 "2020-11-24T08:39:27Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > it’s full of stockpiles never selling So … … you’re saying prices are super low … … and you’re telling everyone … … instead of buying the dip all for yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 9:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/39 "2020-11-24T09:22:42Z")
> [@Alistair\_Atreides](#): > > CCP ruined the Pi Market with changes to what it was used for. Structures mostly. CCP ruined CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Triniti\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/triniti_crimson/32/243537_2.png) [@Triniti\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Triniti_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2020, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430/40 "2020-11-24T11:22:06Z")
If controlling this market is so easy, clearly it is an opportunity to make bank for the people who care to do so! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pi-market-is-dead/281430.md?page=3)