# Pioneer ships **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [March 17, 2018, 9:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509 "2018-03-17T09:36:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509/21 "2018-03-19T15:29:49Z")
i’m talking about if there is only ONE structure. no one wants to just sit on a structure all day because three bombers randomly show up and poke at it over and over. there will be no escalation because i know i just have to burn them out and i can kill it with my 3 bombers. i have nothing behind me to bring in ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509/22 "2018-03-19T15:32:37Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > no one wants to just sit on a structure all day because three bombers randomly show up and poke at it over and over. Defensive timers are a thing. Sure the shield timer is on the attacker, but it’s not like you can’t say exactly when it will come out and start repairing. That’s when you sit on it. > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > there will be no escalation because i know i just have to burn them out and i can kill it with my 3 bombers. i have nothing behind me to bring in > [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > this is already true in the current build of the game… hell some of the small ones a single bomber reaches over the damage cap As you say, this is already possible. I see it happen on larger structures like Keeps (burning out the bat-phone so to speak) but I can’t say I really see it on the spammed citadels. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509/23 "2018-03-19T15:34:58Z")
but at least then you have to stay on grid with a bomb i just launch and go cloak > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > As you say, this is already possible. I see it happen on larger structures like Keeps (burning out the bat-phone so to speak) but I can’t say I really see it on the spammed citadels. if you make it eaiser to do it against spam you make it easier to do it against the one. even if not proportionally ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509/24 "2018-03-19T15:37:15Z")
Why is this thread even still alive? You don’t fix bad ideas with other bad ideas. You fix the original bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509/25 "2018-03-19T15:38:52Z")
because do to how the forums work bad ideas are the ones that stay at the top and ideas that everyone agrees with sink into the abyss ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509/26 "2018-03-19T15:39:50Z")
A fair point lol, I’ll stop the needless bumping of the thread. The debate is academic at this point anyways. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2018, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pioneer-ships/63509/27 "2018-06-17T15:39:51Z")
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